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The Refugee Camp Regional Message Board
Hear, Hear! :)
Welcome Comrade Cyborg! :) Thanks for your Solidarity Comrade! :)
In Solidarity Comrades,
Excellent points Comrades. While I would argue that original Italian Fascism is not quite as bad as Nazism, it is still much worse than capitalism, which is itself terrible and destructive.
So black shirts bad, brown shirts even worse.
Also, how goes the struggle, do you believe that Refugee Camp is secure Comrades?
Also, my own personal quote: "The only good Nazi is a Grammar Nazi. Or a dead one."
We like not grammatically nazis. It is easy to argue that the italian fascists (or the zionists & stalinists for that matter) were (are?) Not as bad as the nazis if one was not on the receiving end of them. The italian fascists carried out mass bombing of ethiopians including the use of gas, not one italian has been brought to justice for this. The italian government's hippocracy in pursuing germans for crimes against italians while doing nothing to root out it's own war criminals has been remarked on.
No! Whatever shirts or suits they wear, whether they brand themselves with fasces, hammer & sickle, star of David or swastika, DEATH TO THEM ALL!
Fascist's shirts were often black due to the blood they got on them.
Arguing that Fascism is not quite as bad as Nazism - let's remember that Fascism and Nazism are but one and the same, emitted from the same xenophobic anus of an ideology with only aesthetic differences but with the same trait which proposes that a dictator is adhered to as the personification of a state which militarises and subjugates society and dissapears "undesirables".
In that then, comparing Nazism to Fascism is like looking at two identical lumps of dog excrement and wondering which one is more pleasant - they both stink as bad as each other. Have a feel and taste of both and experiencing it would confirm this. :)
Being a "Undesirable" in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy - you did not wonder which was preferrable as you were rattled off in a cattle truck to be tortured and murdered - they are the same beast.
The Refugee Camp is not quite secure yet Comrade Dehoytchland, we want to make sure the Fascists can't come back and so we are aiming for password-protection. Thanks for your solidarity and patience! :)
In Solidarity Comrades,
As much as one has to fight Fascism, as much one has to fight the inflationary use of the terms “Fascism” or “fascist”. It doesn’t contribute to the accuracy political analysis or to the strategy of political action to denounce political enemies forever and in all situations as “fascists”; it simplifies and therefore clouds critique.
I do not want to go into the discussion about the erroneous use of the term “fascist” when describing or even mentioning Zionism, again, nor would I like to conduct a discussion about the inclusion of “Stalinism” (with all its horrendous faults) as a possibly fascist political system, equally wrong in my opinion, I just want to point out that the current political system that momentarily most closely resembles but not necessarily constitutes classical “fascism”, namely the clerical-fascist state of Iran, and the equally fascist organisations it supports, namely Hamas and Hezbollah (which btw. still supports the murderous Assad regime in Syria) have seemingly been forgotten on the above list.
Comrades, never forgive and never forget! Yidishe-kamf-organizatsie
I was not intending to offer a comprehensive list, amongst others I omitted the Ustashe credited with running ww2's worst death camp. As to including the Iranian regime as fascist I have no problem (ditto the ba-ath regimes in iraq & syria). (Power lite gotta go)
The T-34 Tank of Aleksandra Samusenko, no problem Comrade. I am opposed to Fascism in all forms and simply want to clarify my position in a (hopefully) more thought-out explanation.
I would like to clarify that for Fascism I mean the imperialistic, corporatistic, totalitarian, nationalistic system that thrived in Germany, Italy, and Spain circa WWII. Also, while I would argue that some of the ideologies mentioned by Comrades The Council-Republic of Opaloka and Yidishe-kamf-organizatsie are fascistic, they lack one or more elements of fascism. For example, Zionism has no inherent economic or political tenets, simply the belief that Israel should exist and be controlled by Jews (a "Jewish state," so to speak). You could maybe call this imperialistic and nationalistic, and therefor fascistic, but that's splitting hairs. Then you end up calling every system like that - Jingoism encompassing most of them worldwide - fascistic, which waters down fascism's true meaning.
I do not wish to debate if Zionism is fascistic for several reasons, and as such am moving on.
Nazism, on the other hand, adds an essential component of racism heretofore veiled in Italian Fascism. While Italian Fascism used scapegoating et al. before, it took the rise of Nazi Germany - a powerful military ally - to add ideologies of racial superiority to Italian Fascism. This does not wipe away Italian Fascism's deeds against the working class or the Ethiopians, at whom I am arriving shortly. Because of this terrible edition, I would say that - to use Comrade The T-34 Tank of Aleksandra Samusenko's analogy - Fascism is like dog excrement, Nazism is like dog excrement lit on fire.
Saying that the gassing of Ethiopians is as bad as the gassing of Jews is warranted and makes sense. That being said, that doesn't make the system inherently fascist, unless we are once again watering down the definition of fascism. For example, Winston Churchill gassed Iraqis in the interregnum between WWI and WWII, during which Great Britain administered Iraq as a protectorate. This is ironic because:
A) Winston Churchill fought against Nazism and Fascism in WWII
B) Because prior to both Gulf Wars, Saddam Hussein was compared to Hitler
In summation: Capitalism is terrible. Imperialism is a natural extension of capitalism, which is terrible because it's on a large scale. Fascism is the worst yet because it combines the worst elements of capitalism with more terrible things. And the icing on the terrible political ideologies cake is Nazism, which adds genocide as an integral element to fascism. I am opposed to all of these wholeheartedly, but I think it is important to differentiate rhetorically between these systems.
If we can't name what we're fighting, we can't very well fight it.
I hope that this doesn't devolve into an argument but instead continues as a fruitful discussion between members of the Left, as we are all here for the same reason: to put fascists to the wall in order to protect The Refugee Camp.
Comrade Dehoytchland, I think the idea of racial superiority always was clear in Fascism, for example Mussolini was a proponent of a new Roman Empire and projected images of what the new Roman soldier should look like, and indeed Fascism was further inspired by eugenics and the idea of a "master race" - so I tend to think Nazism as well as being just a variant of Fascism merely amplified this racism, which coupled together with the post-WW1 enviroment Germany found itself in, found purchase and thus power. :)
Fascism then is xenophobic, Nazism is xenophobic further, but instead of wishing to 'merely' only enslave and subjugate people like Fascism on it's own, sought further in their deliberate extermination, created death squads to do so, and proposed and implemented, or tried, the idea of the explicitly stated "Lebensraum".
There's certainly a case for comparing Mussolini's gassing of Ethiopians and and Churchill's gassing of the Kurds, perhaps most telling is Churchill's admiration of Mussolini to the effect that Churchill tried to get Mussolini to join the Allies on the eve of the outbreak of war.
I don't think Churchill was a Fascist, he was however an imperialist and he would be happy to use any methods to crush rebellious populaces in places that The British Empire ruled over - it's not the same as hating people and wanting them exterminated on the basis of their skin colour or religion alone etc, but rather crushing those who fought against the said Imperialism - that's not to diminish the repulsiveness of it, but we're talking about definitions between Fascism-Nazism-Imperialism. :)
Nazism is indeed dog excrement on fire, and further I would say it is dog excrement on fire that is shoved through a letterbox, burning everything in it's wake.
Fascism and Nazism is something we should see as two components of the same dog excrement, unseperably related but also with characteristics that do define them both, but which relate them together. :)
It is indeed important to know what we are fighting, and that is why we fight it - Hitler said something to the effect that if the enemies of Nazism had known what it was in it's infancy, they would have smashed it to pieces before it had gained ground.
"I hope that this doesn't devolve into an argument but instead continues as a fruitful discussion between members of the Left," - Comrade Dehoytchland
No argument from me. :)
"as we are all here for the same reason: to put fascists to the wall in order to protect The Refugee Camp." - Comrade Dehoytchland
In Solidarity Comrades,
Victory over The Fascists!
The Refugee Camp has been successfully protected in a Solidarity Action by The Comrades-In-Arms of The Red Fleet, The International Brigades and Columns and The Partisan Commune of Naliboki Forest as Participatory Members of Antifa against an invasion by Fascist dunderheads! :)
The Fascists have been shown that yet again, They Shall Not Pass! :)
Many thanks to all of you Comrades who participated, and who made a principled stand against the Fascists, and would not let them pass. :)
Victory! No Pasaran! La Lucha Continua! :)
In Proud Solidarity Comrades,
Joint Squadron Admiral of The Solidarity Squadron of The Red Fleet,
Participatory Member of Antifa