WA Delegate (non-executive): The People's Republic of Lynxcia (elected 259 days ago)
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The embassy with The United Coalition of Butlers is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 3 days 4 hours.
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|1.||The Kaluzhsko Radial of Soviet Putinland||Corrupt Dictatorship||“Regardless of what comes our way, We shall stand strong”|
|2.||The Holy Kingdom of the Unity of TurtleShroom||Moralistic Democracy||“THE FUTURE IS IN THE PAST!”|
|3.||The Absolute Monarchy of Greater Mushroom Kingdom||Iron Fist Consumerists||“Let's-a Go!”|
|4.||The People's Republic of Lynxcia||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“Justice Through Vengeance”|
|5.||The Republic of Margate||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“Perfection with Morality and Moderation”|
|6.||The Empire of Dragonrim||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“This is DRAGONRIM!”|
|7.||The Imperial Union of Ermonte||New York Times Democracy||“God's In His Heaven, All's Right With The World”|
|8.||The Repeat CTE of Torchwood 68||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“Torchwood Land of Power branch”|
|9.||The Worldwide Ministry of Reverend Lyndon Love||Father Knows Best State||“In All Things Give Thanks”|
|10.||The Free Land of Hyperborea Ascendant||Left-Leaning College State||“Non Serviam ”|
- 6 hours ago: The Federation of Aurum Riders 578th Treasury of the region The United Coalition of Butlers ordered the closure of its embassy in The Land of Power.
- 1 day 7 hours ago: The Holy City of Quelmarfeld ceased to exist.
- 3 days 6 hours ago: The Empire of Berdanvia of the region Brannack proposed constructing embassies.
- 6 days ago: The Technocratic Republic of Dagnia of the region Galts Gulch cancelled the closure of its embassy in The Land of Power.
- 7 days ago: The Avatarian Colony of Yu Dao ceased to exist.
- 8 days ago: The Allied States of Thirteen Shadows of the region Galts Gulch ordered the closure of its embassy in The Land of Power.
- 8 days ago: Embassy established between The War Torn land of Crimson Dawn and The Land of Power.
- 8 days ago: Embassy established between The Land of Power and Bloodbender Heaven.
- 10 days ago: Embassy established between The Land of Power and Syldavia.
- 11 days ago: The Free Land of Siburria of the region The War Torn land of Crimson Dawn agreed to construct embassies.
The Land of Power Regional Message Board
Is fascism and national socialism the same thing, or are they different ideologies?
That depends largely on the definition.
National Socialism before the 1930s could refer to any number of far-left political parties throughout Europe, though the common definition following the rise of the NSDAP was... well, the NSDAP. The NSDAP began wavering from their National Socialist position following Adolf Hitler and his endeavors, and by the 1940s the NSDAP was pretty much socialist in name only, being more authoritarian in nature and not particularly representing what is considered the common tennants of socialism.
Fascism in itself waves around in definition, being that it has many properties similar to Communist governments, and that there has only been a handful of successful Fascist States in the early twenty-first century - the most of which declined after the Second World War. When referring to the NSDAP, they certainly maintained many fascist elements within their society, but I would struggle to say that Fascism and National Socialism is one in the same - they certainly are not mutually exclusive. In any case, it honestly boils down to rhetoric and political definitions as defined by any number of people, and although I would state that they are not the same ideology, they certainly are similar.
... and no, 'fascist' is not a buzzword to describe anything deemed too authoritarian or 'controlling'.
There are two main forms of nation-first fascism.
First, there is civic nationalism, like Italy and Spain. Civic nationalism is glorification of the nation itself and all in it. It doesn't matter your race or color (assuming you have assimilated and aren't flooding in like kebabs in Europe), you are a citizen of the nation, and the nation is the greatest on the earth.
Then, there is its illegitimate brother, called ethnic nationalism. It glorifies on Master Race and seeks to either subjugate or exterminate the "inferiors".
Lynxia, I think I failed to articulate what I meant. It seemed that you more defined Corporatism than the entire nutshell of fascist thought itself.
Mussolini defined fascism as "all within the state, all of the state, nothing but the state".
What I meant by "all of society and government being reworked" was, indeed, a merger of the two. The reworking is the aligning of everything to the advancement of the state and the Idea (I shorten the list I have to that term) the state embodies and exists to advance.
Corporatism has always confused me. It is said that fascism allows private property, yet Mussolini literally could call up a department store and tell them to fire a cashier because they didn't like them, or because the dissented against the state. How is property private if you don't have ultimate control over it?
I've tried to think that the state allows businessmen it likes and who support the state to run themselves and even take seats in the government over their industries to kill their competition. (Monopolization is a natural result of Corporatism. It might even be inherent.) However, it waits for anyone to slip up and will attack dissent by repatriation (theft) of the assets of dissidents.
I've got fascism itself figured out, but Corporatism absolutely bamboozles me. I just don't get it.
CC, every fascist state that existed (except perhaps Spain but only after WWII) was a totalitarian police state. Its use as a buzzword is accurate, especially when it refers to big business watching you, because in fascism, big business merges with big government.
I actually believe that fascism is not inherently evil. Like democracy and monarchies, it can be good or bad depending on who is using it. The sad part is that fascism attracts evil simply because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Monarchies are somewhat shielded from that because of the death and inheritance of succession and the theoretical fact that each heir is raised in an environment intended to make them good people.
I once heard monarchism summed up like this: "I would rather have a system that can breed us a Nero with a chance of a [some truly great emperor's name], than a system where stupid people choose a Neroevery time because he said what they wanted to hear."
I would agree that fascism, like any government, is not inherently evil, TS. However, I would state that following the atrocities of the Second World War, that any group attempting to describe themselves as fascist or supporting of fascism would have an incredibly difficult time in the world. Fascism took hold following the First World War, where nationalism was still a large part of European society, suspicion of new political parties were rampant, and many people were looking for strong leadership to lead them out of turmoil and disorder. In a modern society which somewhat values freedom over order, is incredibly more globalist with trade and the internet, as well as more suspicious of governments than random political parties, fascism simply has little place in the modern world.
Thats just plain nonsense, Fascism's founding tenant is Dictatorship, every Fascist movement,thinker and state has advocated Dictatorship to varying degrees and to claim "Fascism is not Dictatorship" is blatantly myopic. While not inherrent Anti-Semitism is far from muturally exclusive from Fascism. Indeed as Jews are always going to be somewhat detached from the mythos of the National Community and State it will tend to be.
...No that's just a vague somewhat idealised description of certain Fascist states without any real clarification as to what Fascism the ideology is...On a different note you are somewhat contradicting yourself insofar as previously admitting "Fascism is Oligarchic" you are now entering the usual rabble rousing rhetoric of "all working for the good of the state etc". Oligarchy is inherrently looking after the intrests of a select few (indeed that is what Fascism has usually come down to) and now you go about saying an Oligarchic (by your own definitions) system "works for the greater good of the state". This ignores the fundamental problems with that statement...one cannot work "for the greater good of the state", the State is not the nation nor is it the people, it is the authority that governs a nation and people, a collection of institutions. The State is by its very definition working for the benefit of the people and nation, one can work for the greater power of the state but not its greater good, the State is working for the greater good of the nation-people as they are interlinked. One can work to maximise State power but not "the good of the state" I believe you are using the term to mean "the greater good of the nation" which is possible.
Fascism without Nationalism is just simple Despotism, it has little legitimacy as an ideology as it is, removing nationalism from the equation robs it of the feature that makes fascism different from simple tyranny. I would disagree with TurtleShroom's definition on similar grounds thought, that fascism is not some sort of inherent drive for the superiority of an arbitrary object.
Just because Fascists claim they are one that does not make it the case, I do not believe that "society" even exists, but it seems we are in this context using it to describe the collective populace outside of government. In Fascism society is held subservient to the government, they do not however, merge for that is impossible; unless you are using your own definition of what "society" is.
Likewise TurtleShroom Fascism does not seek to "completely alter society" I for one see it as a defense of tradition against forces seeking to challenge society, the radical defense mechanism of European Romanticism against the forces of Anglo-American Liberalism and Revolutionary Socialism. Historically speaking Fascism has usually allied with rather then attempted to alter the "pillars of society". Mussolini (while an Atheist) still paid lip service to the papacy, Hitler constantly sought to portray himself as a respectable defender of civilised values, Franco elevated Roman Catholicism to civic duty. In old Adolf's own words "I am a revolutionary against the revolution", Fascism was revolutionary only in its rhetoric and means to achieve very conservative goals.
And yet earlier you said that Nationalism is not inherent to Fascism, Fascism relies upon external foes to rally the people against, it is thus almost always xenophobic in practice.
I personally see civic nationalism as a purely new world phenomenon.
In Europe (for that is where Fascism had its only successes) the nation, its history,culture and all the other things Nationalism exalts. Are inherently linked to the people who were homogenous to that area for centuries and to whom the culture of that nation is indebted to. Nationalism in the old world is always going to be somewhat ethnic as it requires an appeal to a national culture that, whether they like it or not, is tied to ethnicity
I would not say that civic nationalism is a 'purely new world' phenomenon, being as it can be accomplished just as easily within the old world. Instead, I would say that civic nationalism is more popular within the Americas simply because ethnic nationalism is impractical as a motivator. Sure, there exist vague Neo-Nazi groups and affiliates who would make as broad a claim as 'white' or 'black', but none would be as bold as to declare any specific ethnicity - it would simply not garner enough support. Of course, such cases of civic nationalism also range back to the independence of many nations within the new world, and the ideals of American Exceptionalism are certainly an example of the fact. In short, it is not so much that civic nationalism is a new world phenomenon, but rather than ethnic nationalism is that of an old world one.
I personally dislike all forms of Nationalism, it is a philosophy to control not lead.
I define fascism merely as authoritarian nationalism, that is an ideology that seek to enforce radical authoritarian rule by rallying the nation under banner of nationalism either in the name of nation's superiority, external enemies or both (or the opposite? Not really sure lol), its some examples are Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Showa Japan, Franco's Spain and to a lesser extent Salazar's Portugal.
Personally while I oppose internationalism more, I dislike some aspects of nationalism too and not only limited to ethnic nationalism, as I found proclaiming superiority on virtue of artificial borders is very absurd. Central Asia, for example, has its borders defined by the Soviet Union and roam confused as the latter scattered, revolve in bickering for their national identity. Likewise for Africa whose borders are divided by colonial powers.