The Land of Power RMB

WA Delegate (non-executive): The People's Republic of Lynxcia (elected 259 days ago)

Founder: The Holy Kingdom of the Unity of TurtleShroom

World Factbook Entry

MAP: LinkClick here!! | IRC: LinkClick here!! (Type "##Sk8rSoda", case senstive, both pound signs!)

-----

WELCOME TO THE LAND OF POWER! Where "Freedom, Power and Happiness is Just a Click Away"!

Originally founded by Tommasso. Annexed by United States of Europe since roughly May 12, 2011 by The Imperial Union of Ermonte. Freed October 3rd, 2011, by its most loyal inhabitant, The Holy Kingdom of the Unity of TurtleShroom.

Proud home to novelty nations of all kinds. We welcome all nations of all techs and species, but have a special adoration for realms that focus on a novelty or unique theme and go all out for it.

NationStates' Most Unique Region! We're so unique that everything new, and nothing new, is unique!

Embassies: Fanon Antarctica, Paradoxia, Right to Life, Avatar Incarnate, Galts Gulch, New Dinosaurtopia, Apartheid South Africa, Laissez Faireholm, Antarctic Oasis, Vissella, Minecraftia, The United States of Europe, Torchwood Hub, The Ascendancy, The NationStates Community, The United San Diego States, and 45 others.Austritaria, Coalition of Catholic States, The Nation of Nations and Friends, World Alliance, The Zuropean Union, North Africa, Asia, Tareldanore, Union of Nationalists, Mystria, Sacrum Romanum Imperium, The United Empires Of the Raht Sea, The Cornellian Empire, American Resistance Movement, The Alliance Pocket Universe, Union of Free States, Rock Solid Zimbabwe Korea, Lands of Exodus, Black Mesa Islands, Glorious Nations of Iwaku, League of Christian Nations, NationStates Sesquipedalian Countries, Alliance of Bearded Men, Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region, Alliance of Absolute Monarchs, The Darwin Allied Republics, Israel, Chinese Taipei, Jamieshire, Louisiana Alliance x Alliance Louisiane, The Pleiades, Trainsylvinea, The Illuminati, The Planitiem, chris puppet storage, The United Coalition of Butlers, Reaganomic Paradise, The Holmes, The Remnants of the Mian Empire, Japanese Pan Asian Co Prosperity Sphere, The Fascist Union, Greysteel, Syldavia, Bloodbender Heaven, and The War Torn land of Crimson Dawn.

The embassy with The United Coalition of Butlers is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 3 days 4 hours.

Tags: National Sovereigntist, Puppet Storage, Industrial, Surreal, Map, Featured, Conservative, Libertarian, Medium, Capitalist, Silly, Social, and 4 others.Isolationist, Role Player, Imperialist, and Multi-Species.

Regional Power: Moderate

The Land of Power contains 22 nations, the 510th most in the world.

ActivityHistoryAdministration

Today's World Census Report

The Best Weather in the Land of Power

The following nations were determined to have the best all-round weather.

As a region, the Land of Power is ranked 15,930th in the world for Best Weather.

#NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Kaluzhsko Radial of Soviet PutinlandCorrupt Dictatorship“Regardless of what comes our way, We shall stand strong”
2.The Holy Kingdom of the Unity of TurtleShroomMoralistic Democracy“THE FUTURE IS IN THE PAST!”
3.The Absolute Monarchy of Greater Mushroom KingdomIron Fist Consumerists“Let's-a Go!”
4.The People's Republic of LynxciaWA MemberInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Justice Through Vengeance”
5.The Republic of MargateWA MemberInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Perfection with Morality and Moderation”
6.The Empire of DragonrimInoffensive Centrist Democracy“This is DRAGONRIM!”
7.The Imperial Union of ErmonteNew York Times Democracy“God's In His Heaven, All's Right With The World”
8.The Repeat CTE of Torchwood 68Inoffensive Centrist Democracy“Torchwood Land of Power branch”
9.The Worldwide Ministry of Reverend Lyndon LoveFather Knows Best State“In All Things Give Thanks”
10.The Free Land of Hyperborea AscendantLeft-Leaning College State“Non Serviam ”
Page:  «  1  2  3  »

Regional Happenings

More...

The Land of Power Regional Message Board

Is fascism and national socialism the same thing, or are they different ideologies?

That depends largely on the definition.

National Socialism before the 1930s could refer to any number of far-left political parties throughout Europe, though the common definition following the rise of the NSDAP was... well, the NSDAP. The NSDAP began wavering from their National Socialist position following Adolf Hitler and his endeavors, and by the 1940s the NSDAP was pretty much socialist in name only, being more authoritarian in nature and not particularly representing what is considered the common tennants of socialism.

Fascism in itself waves around in definition, being that it has many properties similar to Communist governments, and that there has only been a handful of successful Fascist States in the early twenty-first century - the most of which declined after the Second World War. When referring to the NSDAP, they certainly maintained many fascist elements within their society, but I would struggle to say that Fascism and National Socialism is one in the same - they certainly are not mutually exclusive. In any case, it honestly boils down to rhetoric and political definitions as defined by any number of people, and although I would state that they are not the same ideology, they certainly are similar.

... and no, 'fascist' is not a buzzword to describe anything deemed too authoritarian or 'controlling'.

There are two main forms of nation-first fascism.

First, there is civic nationalism, like Italy and Spain. Civic nationalism is glorification of the nation itself and all in it. It doesn't matter your race or color (assuming you have assimilated and aren't flooding in like kebabs in Europe), you are a citizen of the nation, and the nation is the greatest on the earth.

Then, there is its illegitimate brother, called ethnic nationalism. It glorifies on Master Race and seeks to either subjugate or exterminate the "inferiors".

Lynxia, I think I failed to articulate what I meant. It seemed that you more defined Corporatism than the entire nutshell of fascist thought itself.

Mussolini defined fascism as "all within the state, all of the state, nothing but the state".

What I meant by "all of society and government being reworked" was, indeed, a merger of the two. The reworking is the aligning of everything to the advancement of the state and the Idea (I shorten the list I have to that term) the state embodies and exists to advance.

Corporatism has always confused me. It is said that fascism allows private property, yet Mussolini literally could call up a department store and tell them to fire a cashier because they didn't like them, or because the dissented against the state. How is property private if you don't have ultimate control over it?

I've tried to think that the state allows businessmen it likes and who support the state to run themselves and even take seats in the government over their industries to kill their competition. (Monopolization is a natural result of Corporatism. It might even be inherent.) However, it waits for anyone to slip up and will attack dissent by repatriation (theft) of the assets of dissidents.

I've got fascism itself figured out, but Corporatism absolutely bamboozles me. I just don't get it.

CC, every fascist state that existed (except perhaps Spain but only after WWII) was a totalitarian police state. Its use as a buzzword is accurate, especially when it refers to big business watching you, because in fascism, big business merges with big government.

I actually believe that fascism is not inherently evil. Like democracy and monarchies, it can be good or bad depending on who is using it. The sad part is that fascism attracts evil simply because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Monarchies are somewhat shielded from that because of the death and inheritance of succession and the theoretical fact that each heir is raised in an environment intended to make them good people.

I once heard monarchism summed up like this: "I would rather have a system that can breed us a Nero with a chance of a [some truly great emperor's name], than a system where stupid people choose a Neroevery time because he said what they wanted to hear."

I would agree that fascism, like any government, is not inherently evil, TS. However, I would state that following the atrocities of the Second World War, that any group attempting to describe themselves as fascist or supporting of fascism would have an incredibly difficult time in the world. Fascism took hold following the First World War, where nationalism was still a large part of European society, suspicion of new political parties were rampant, and many people were looking for strong leadership to lead them out of turmoil and disorder. In a modern society which somewhat values freedom over order, is incredibly more globalist with trade and the internet, as well as more suspicious of governments than random political parties, fascism simply has little place in the modern world.

The People's Republic of Lynxcia wrote:
Fascism is not: Antisemitism, Dictatorship

Thats just plain nonsense, Fascism's founding tenant is Dictatorship, every Fascist movement,thinker and state has advocated Dictatorship to varying degrees and to claim "Fascism is not Dictatorship" is blatantly myopic. While not inherrent Anti-Semitism is far from muturally exclusive from Fascism. Indeed as Jews are always going to be somewhat detached from the mythos of the National Community and State it will tend to be.

The People's Republic of Lynxcia wrote:
Therefore, it can be assumed that when any state takes action to protect the power of corporations, this is a step towards fascism. Equally, when corporations hold a greater control over the government than that of the public, this is another step towards fascism. When it becomes difficult to separate the power of government from the power of corporations, this is a step towards fascism. This alone, however, is not fascism. Corporate Fascism yes, but not lone fascism. In order to ensure that there is no rebellion against the state, fascism adopts authoritarianism to varying degrees. This is anything from basic restrictions and monitoring to Orwellian level surveillance. The state controls most to all elements of life within a fascist nation. This usually incorporates everything from labour schemes to economic restrictions. Fascism can be likened to Marxism in the sense that instead of everything being for the greater good of the proletariat, it is for the greater good of the state. All is geared towards the state. All people are individuals, but part of the greater body that becomes the state. Not to demean the topic, but to paraphrase Iron Sky best defines this: “All hearts beat to the rhythm of one drum”

This, I feel, is a far better definition of Fascism.

...No that's just a vague somewhat idealised description of certain Fascist states without any real clarification as to what Fascism the ideology is...On a different note you are somewhat contradicting yourself insofar as previously admitting "Fascism is Oligarchic" you are now entering the usual rabble rousing rhetoric of "all working for the good of the state etc". Oligarchy is inherrently looking after the intrests of a select few (indeed that is what Fascism has usually come down to) and now you go about saying an Oligarchic (by your own definitions) system "works for the greater good of the state". This ignores the fundamental problems with that statement...one cannot work "for the greater good of the state", the State is not the nation nor is it the people, it is the authority that governs a nation and people, a collection of institutions. The State is by its very definition working for the benefit of the people and nation, one can work for the greater power of the state but not its greater good, the State is working for the greater good of the nation-people as they are interlinked. One can work to maximise State power but not "the good of the state" I believe you are using the term to mean "the greater good of the nation" which is possible.

The People's Republic of Lynxcia wrote:
TS, I think that you mistake Nationalism and state loyalty for superiority. Of course, Nationalism is a statement of superiority in itself. But I mean in the sense that all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs. All Nationalism is a statement of superiority, but not all superiority is nationalistic. Here lies your issue. Aside from Nationalism, inherent in Fascism, Fascism can indeed uplift an idea, institution, person, nation, group, or race. But, this is not inherent as nationalism is. Nor are they of equal importance. Nationalism both incorporates and overrules superiority as you define it. Nationalism is always a part of Fascism, and must be used to define it. Superiority, by your definition is not a necessary part of Fascism and thus should not be the sole means of defining it.

Fascism without Nationalism is just simple Despotism, it has little legitimacy as an ideology as it is, removing nationalism from the equation robs it of the feature that makes fascism different from simple tyranny. I would disagree with TurtleShroom's definition on similar grounds thought, that fascism is not some sort of inherent drive for the superiority of an arbitrary object.

The People's Republic of Lynxcia wrote:...Also, “all of society and government must be completely altered to advance that idea.” is quite false. To define society and government as separate in regards to fascism is not entirely correct. Society and government are one...

Just because Fascists claim they are one that does not make it the case, I do not believe that "society" even exists, but it seems we are in this context using it to describe the collective populace outside of government. In Fascism society is held subservient to the government, they do not however, merge for that is impossible; unless you are using your own definition of what "society" is.

Likewise TurtleShroom Fascism does not seek to "completely alter society" I for one see it as a defense of tradition against forces seeking to challenge society, the radical defense mechanism of European Romanticism against the forces of Anglo-American Liberalism and Revolutionary Socialism. Historically speaking Fascism has usually allied with rather then attempted to alter the "pillars of society". Mussolini (while an Atheist) still paid lip service to the papacy, Hitler constantly sought to portray himself as a respectable defender of civilised values, Franco elevated Roman Catholicism to civic duty. In old Adolf's own words "I am a revolutionary against the revolution", Fascism was revolutionary only in its rhetoric and means to achieve very conservative goals.

The People's Republic of Lynxcia wrote:I would not have said that Fascist states are ‘typically xenophobic’ either. Instead, to be specific, one can say that Fascism is inherently nationalistic. Nationalism and xenophobia are by no means synonymous. Nazi Germany was not as xenophobic as Mussolini’s Italy.

And yet earlier you said that Nationalism is not inherent to Fascism, Fascism relies upon external foes to rally the people against, it is thus almost always xenophobic in practice.

I personally see civic nationalism as a purely new world phenomenon.

In Europe (for that is where Fascism had its only successes) the nation, its history,culture and all the other things Nationalism exalts. Are inherently linked to the people who were homogenous to that area for centuries and to whom the culture of that nation is indebted to. Nationalism in the old world is always going to be somewhat ethnic as it requires an appeal to a national culture that, whether they like it or not, is tied to ethnicity

I would not say that civic nationalism is a 'purely new world' phenomenon, being as it can be accomplished just as easily within the old world. Instead, I would say that civic nationalism is more popular within the Americas simply because ethnic nationalism is impractical as a motivator. Sure, there exist vague Neo-Nazi groups and affiliates who would make as broad a claim as 'white' or 'black', but none would be as bold as to declare any specific ethnicity - it would simply not garner enough support. Of course, such cases of civic nationalism also range back to the independence of many nations within the new world, and the ideals of American Exceptionalism are certainly an example of the fact. In short, it is not so much that civic nationalism is a new world phenomenon, but rather than ethnic nationalism is that of an old world one.

I personally dislike all forms of Nationalism, it is a philosophy to control not lead.

I define fascism merely as authoritarian nationalism, that is an ideology that seek to enforce radical authoritarian rule by rallying the nation under banner of nationalism either in the name of nation's superiority, external enemies or both (or the opposite? Not really sure lol), its some examples are Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Showa Japan, Franco's Spain and to a lesser extent Salazar's Portugal.

Personally while I oppose internationalism more, I dislike some aspects of nationalism too and not only limited to ethnic nationalism, as I found proclaiming superiority on virtue of artificial borders is very absurd. Central Asia, for example, has its borders defined by the Soviet Union and roam confused as the latter scattered, revolve in bickering for their national identity. Likewise for Africa whose borders are divided by colonial powers.

Forum View

by Max Barry

Latest Forum Topics