WA Delegate: The Reluctant Sheriff of A Million Voices (elected 86 days ago)
Founder: The Republican Monarchy of Nansurium
Embassies: Markarth, The Land of Kings and Emperors, British Isles, Terra, Warzone Airspace, Atrigeas, The New Inquisition, Imperial Union of Procrustes, the West Pacific, Kantrias, The Dirty South, Durendal, United Republic of Nations, and Athos.
The embassy with Warzone Airspace is being withdrawn. Closure expected in 2 days 23 hours.
Regional Power: Moderate
Today's World Census Report
The Most Armed in The Dominion of Markarth
World Census experts took their lives into their hands in order to ascertain the average number of weapons per citizen.
As a region, The Dominion of Markarth is ranked 10,583rd in the world for Most Armed.
|1.||The Rogue Nation of Blackarrow11||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“eat it fool”|
|2.||The Holy Empire of Clitopia||Father Knows Best State||“Clitopia is a Holy nation under the kingdom of God”|
|3.||The Empire of Patth||Iron Fist Consumerists||“We'll be happy to help you ... for a price.”|
|4.||The Free Land of White City||Anarchy||“Making Bonds, Breaking Chains”|
|5.||The Mesogynistic Nephilites of Atticus Caedus Turn||Anarchy||“Lex Partis, Lex Gentis, Lex Clindea”|
|6.||The Empire of Flixerine||Anarchy||“In cookies we trust!”|
|7.||The Matriarchy of Lady Jane Grey-Anumia||Anarchy||“Blessed is She who can keep Her Head”|
|8.||The Rogue Nation of Daruk||Compulsory Consumerist State||“We are not the bad guyz its just bad press !.... honest”|
|9.||The Armed Republic of Ystria||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“For and upon progress”|
|10.||The Return of The Xenadii||New York Times Democracy||“We [Do Not] Come In Peace”|
- 6 hours ago: The Empire of The Coveanant departed this region for Palocris.
- 6 hours ago: The Dictatorship of Callah departed this region for Palocris.
- 10 hours ago: The Empire of Cagumoh of the region Warzone Airspace ordered the closure of its embassy in The Dominion of Markarth.
- 11 hours ago: The Republic of Wood Manor ceased to exist.
- 20 hours ago: The Dictatorship of Ammit arrived from Capitalist Paradise.
- 1 day 13 hours ago: The The High Empire of Sventus departed this region for Palocris.
- 2 days 9 hours ago: The Federal Republic of Cody kelsoe arrived from Osiris.
- 2 days 20 hours ago: The Armed Republic of Ruggedswana arrived from The Rejected Realms.
- 3 days 12 hours ago: The Empire of WGPG arrived from Lazarus.
- 3 days 13 hours ago: The Federation of North Finland departed this region for Minisink valley sports.
The Dominion of Markarth Regional Message Board
I accept. Also a bunch of cookies for the council. None of them are filled with strange ingredients to influence results, I promise!
I accept! All rules and regulations crystal clear, your honorable Emperorship.
Nan, there's absolutely no precedent for what you are doing. First off, you forgot about me, the Grand Marshal. Second of all, there's no rule in there that says you get to "veto" anything. No idea where that comes from. If they vote in a majority, you have to respect that. Finally, and most importantly, "if any member of the Citizen's Council falls inactive or does not participate" you will dissolve the Council? Nope, you're not going to do that, because that's unconstitutional. The Emergency Government will continue until this region agrees upon whatever form of government it decides on.
While you can inherit the powers of the Chancellor upon entering the Emergency Government, you CANNOT simply make up the rules for how it runs. Once an Emergency Government is formed, it's a simple majority rule. No magical Emperor veto, no magical Emperor dissolvement power. I really have no idea where you got these ideas from and why you think they're somehow necessary.
Will someone here please just follow the Constitution?
No, because f*ck the police.
And the police have pepper spray.
mesh just leave it, its going fine right now. if we say the wrong things nans could get angry and give up and we would be stuck, more people will leave and then markarth will be no more. So please just leave it
No I'm not going to just "leave it". This isn't about "leaving it". This is about respect for the rule of law and the Constitution.
I am sick and tired of people saying "well, we can overthrow the Constitution if we don't like it". It ain't something you can turn a blind eye to. So if someone is disobeying what is written in the Constitution, you're damn right I'm going to call them on it.
As I recall, you haven't even gotten on our forums Liam. Heck, I don't think I've even seen you on the Chat before. Same goes for half the people on this so-called Council. So how can you tell me that I am wrong for pressing the legality of the Constitution when you haven't even read it?
When I was High Steward, everyone got all up in arms because "Decimus wasn't obeying the Constitution". Not only is that not true; the reason for our so-called "stagnancy" was because I insisted on follow the proper procedure for governmental change, but it was an accusation thrown at me again and again. Now, it seems these same people are saying, "No, it's time throw the Consty out, because it's no longer valid". Except it doesn't work like that.
I don't care if it's a citizen or the Emperor, I will point out if the Constitution is being violated. And I should hope that measures will be taken to reconcile the current plan of action with the legitimate clause set forth for the Emergency Government. I'm sick of all these made up rules that have no constitutional backing and no precedent for their implementation.
I was hoping we could avoid these silly disputes and get on with it, but of course, with this being Markarth, that is quite impossible.
It may surprise you Decimus, but I have actually given this a lot of thought. Your fundamental mistake is your assumption that the Citizen's Council is the Emergency Government or that it acts on an equal plane as the Emergency Council. That is not the case. The Citizen's Council is an institution that was devised simply because we did not have any individuals appointed in the government to fill the Emergency Council. Here is the technical transition of power:
1. I formed the Emergency Government
2. As the only member of the Emergency Council, I acted with all authority of the Emergency Government.
3. That being the case, I immediately used that authority to form the Citizen's Council, based on the conditions provided above. I am well within the Emergency Government's mandate in doing so.
The Citizen's Council is a new institution that was created and invested with power by the Emergency Council, of which I am the only member. From a constitutional standpoint, it holds up quite well. You are not Grand Marshal because you were not nominated by the Council of Guardians or confirmed by the Senate following the dissolution of the Emergency Government and the election of Gael. You held that position only on a de facto/nominal/interim basis, pending your constitutional appointment under the civilian government.
Because this is a unique institution that was effectively created by the Emergency Council, I can establish whatever operating procedures I prefer. I established a Veto to keep them from enacting any reforms that I feel are inappropriate (though I don't plan on standing in their way on much), and I have established a reasonable popular mechanism by which they might overcome my veto. I can dissolve the Citizen's Council when I like because I am the only member of the Emergency government. If the Citizen's Council is dissolved, and I sincerely hope that we can avoid that, the region will simply continue under the Emergency Government, unless someone is interested in making yet another genuine attempt at overcoming this population's perpetual apathy.
Okay, now I'm pissed.
First of all, you have no basis for your claim about me being "interim" Grand Marshal. I made it pretty clear that I wanted no more government intervention in the military, which is why I founded a separate region and wrote our organization out of the constitution. Not only that, but I was CONFIRMED by the Emergency Government as Grand Marshal. So no, you don't have the right to say "a civilian government" needs to confirm me. There's absolutely NO clause that says you can selectively choose what stands and what doesn't after the Emergency Government disbands. I established the military as a semi-autonomous organization, and I intend to see it through to the end.
I also hate how you call everything "petty" Nan. It really gets on my nerves. Frankly, the fact of the matter is you are overstepping your authority once again. I am tired and sick of you ignoring the Constitution simply because you DON'T want to resign as Emperor. You don't get to just pick and choose when you can do something and when you can't. If me calling you on it is petty, then frankly there is something wrong with this region. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land ever since we reorganized the Trinity into a ceremonial position; and the Constitution does not say "when the Emperor is the only member of the EG he can do as he likes". No, it clearly calls for an Emergency Government that runs on a few basic guidelines which INCLUDES THE GRAND MARSHAL AND AT LEAST TWO CITIZENS UPON INITIAL FORMATION. If you didn't do that, then yes you are overstepping your rule.
Frankly, I don't care if people want to change this government. That's fine, really at this point I see no other way. But if you're going to tell me that you are justified in what you are doing, then buddy you are straight out wrong. There is no precedent for you running the Emergency Council as a dictatorship with "advisory support". Remember that when I became the last member of the Emergency Council, I immediately disbanded the government in no time at all because I knew that it would not end well. Now you are telling me you plan to do the same thing, only with very little inclination of when it will end. I have told you a million times Nan that the Emperor does not get to do what he wants just because he's the Emperor. Either you need to stop bending the rules and making up precedents or you need to step out of the way so the Constitution will invalidate itself.
I am sick of this whole thing at this point,