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Unified germany wrote:On another note, fun drinking game when you're with the comrades. Have a debate with someone in a public forum on the nature of Communism/Socialism/Marxist-Leninist ideology. Put down a tally mark for every time they say "That'll never work in the REAL WORLD," or "People are just too selfish". When you're with your comrades, each of you take a shot for every tally mark put down.

But I don't want to die of alcohol poisoning...

United marxist nations wrote:I think it's not possible to practice it successfully; it leaves no room for a revolutionary state, and thus leaves the Revolution open for being crushed, and makes no plan for economic transition.

Precisely, what's worse is that it isn't scientific and isn't consistently revolutionary.

New akkadian wrote:But I don't want to die of alcohol poisoning...

Not die, just maim, or seriously injure

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New akkadian wrote:Precisely, what's worse is that it isn't scientific and isn't consistently revolutionary.

Kernan wrote:Not die, just maim, or seriously injure

Good to see everyone feels the same way. Comrades, why is it, that you think, so many adopt this position without actually trying to learn about Marxist-Leninist ideology? Do they simply write it off so they can return to their consumerist-fueled lives?

Unified germany wrote:Good to see everyone feels the same way. Comrades, why is it, that you think, so many adopt this position without actually trying to learn about Marxist-Leninist ideology? Do they simply write it off so they can return to their consumerist-fueled lives?

I blame it, at least in part, on people like Stalin who gave Marxist Leninism a bad rep. They feel that people like Stalin embodied exactly what Marxist-Leninism is all about, even though he isn't. Hell he was probably more of a fascist than a Marxist or Leninist. I think American Cold War propaganda could also be to blame for the negative veiw. Such movies like I Married A Communist comes to mind.

Since Bunda is gone, it may be wise to gather up volunteers for Commissar of Defense.

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Novsvacro wrote:Since Bunda is gone, it may be wise to gather up volunteers for Commissar of Defense.

Yeah, but the thing is, I'm not sure anyone in the region is good enough at coordinating raiding and defending.

New akkadian wrote:But I don't want to die of alcohol poisoning...

Too true...

Unified germany wrote:Good to see everyone feels the same way. Comrades, why is it, that you think, so many adopt this position without actually trying to learn about Marxist-Leninist ideology? Do they simply write it off so they can return to their consumerist-fueled lives?

It's not their fault. People are exposed to relentless anticommunist propaganda, and most have never heard anyone argue for communism. Under such unfair conditions, it's only natural for workers to be hostile to leftwing ideas. So it's our job in this century to rebuild the Left.

I feel no sympathy for the ex-left, however. Anyone that was Marxist in the 70's and 80's but defected during the 90's... fukk those guys. Too common a phenomenon in academia.

Ruzslava wrote:It's not their fault. People are exposed to relentless anticommunist propaganda, and most have never heard anyone argue for communism. Under such unfair conditions, it's only natural for workers to be hostile to leftwing ideas. So it's our job in this century to rebuild the Left.

I feel no sympathy for the ex-left, however. Anyone that was Marxist in the 70's and 80's but defected during the 90's... fukk those guys. Too common a phenomenon in academia.

The way I see it, the average Westerner goes through phases of ideology throughout their life. They at first will adhere to exactly what their guardians tell them to think, since they are the source of almost everything to people that age. The next stage is one of confused rebellion. This sometimes manifests itself through simply supporting a different party or group (I.E. Republican/Democrats), or in a more radical way, such as claiming to believe in Anarchism or Communism, without fully understanding their supposed views. This is 'confused communism'.

This normally subsides to more centrist views, or maybe a bit left or right of that. They go on to live their lives and as they are affected more and more by the government and its policies, a more flexible stance develops. In addition, it seems to me that when there is an economic slump or crash, many become more leftist, but when the consumer-economies rebound, they go back into hard-nosed conservatism. The affluence of this part of the world opens it up to varying viewpoints, but it also ingrains in them a sense that whatever puts them in a higher position than what they're currently in, is the correct one.

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I would like to make an official announcement:

It has been announced that Kurdish forces defending Kobane have driven back ISIS forces, and expect victory in the coming days.

Glory to the defenders of Kobane!

Post self-deleted by Kernan.

I wish them only the best in the coming days. ISIS's days are numbered.

Who wants to declare war on the shrek empire and the fandom alliance??

Novsvacro wrote:This sometimes manifests itself through simply supporting a different party or group (I.E. Republican/Democrats), or in a more radical way, such as claiming to believe in Anarchism or Communism, without fully understanding their supposed views. This is 'confused communism'.

I remember my rebellious phase. I was actually a fascist for a time but not long before finding the SPUSA. I was a 'confused communist' for a time but after reading up I think I can confidently call myself a true Communist. I will say this now though, I am still in High School and have a lot to learn on the subject so I hope by the time I leave I can be a fully informed person.

Hello

And just to tell you, we aren't fascist. We are trying to be communist without rebellion

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Kernan wrote:I remember my rebellious phase. I was actually a fascist for a time but not long before finding the SPUSA. I was a 'confused communist' for a time but after reading up I think I can confidently call myself a true Communist. I will say this now though, I am still in High School and have a lot to learn on the subject so I hope by the time I leave I can be a fully informed person.

Lol, why would you join the SPUSA, they are really disorganized and not only mix an assortment of different Marxists, but their Party also includes anarcho-Communists, in fact, their Secretary is an ancom. Like, the Party clearly lacks organization and a clear party line if they're just a random assortment of far-left individuals who hate Capitalism. The CPUSA sucks, the Socialist Alternative is too based in non-working class circles, and the WWP and PSL are kind of crazy tanks. But the WWP and PSL are still probably the best Communist Parties this country has. Along with maybe the Socialist Equality Party, the Socialist Workers' Party, and the FRSO (Freedom Road Socialist Organization) is also alright.

Vereinigte deutschland wrote:Lol, why would you join the SPUSA, they are really disorganized and not only mix an assortment of different Marxists, but their Party also includes anarcho-Communists, in fact, their Secretary is an ancom. Like, the Party clearly lacks organization and a clear party line if they're just a random assortment of far-left individuals who hate Capitalism. The CPUSA sucks, the Socialist Alternative is too based in non-working class circles, and the WWP and PSL are kind of crazy tanks. But the WWP and PSL are still probably the best Communist Parties this country has. Along with maybe the Socialist Equality Party, the Socialist Workers' Party, and the FRSO (Freedom Road Socialist Organization) is also alright.

I am inclined to agree. It is rather hard to find a good left-wing party in this country. But I guess we have to start somewhere.

Well I was going to join the SPUSA because they were the first I found that i kinda agreed with, but I will give the other ones a look

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Do not join the SEP, they are OrthoTrots and all of my experiences with them have been a battle of, "oh...and what have you read? Have your heard the good news regarding our lord Leon?"

They also refuse to organize in my University in the name of combating "Bourgeoise Opprotunism" (addmittedly my University is bourgeoise as fu*k but refusal to organize there out of principle seems to me to be flawed since Petite Bourgeoise can be swayed to the side of the Proletariat and also cedes terrain to the class enemy). Though in their defense I only have had contact with their youth wing.

In regards to US Communist Organizations I'd pay attention to the New Communist Party-Liason Committee, the Canadian Revolutionary Communist Party (second link is to their youth compliment the Revolutionary Student Movement), and the numerous local MLM Study Groups and Organizing Forces (you'd have to do a search to find one near yourself).

I'd also heavily suggest just going your own route and organizing with whomever is making moves in your area. It's always better to enter into an organization, do good work as a Marxist-Leninist (reflecting well on our tendency/manner of work), allowing work to inform your theory, and slowly shifting the character of whatever oragnization you join towards the revolutionary side of thing. Disseminating ML positions while doing good work and proving to be a reliable and effective organizer/activist (depending on what you see yourself doing in whatever organization) counts a lot more than holding various party memberships. (I for example am affiliated with the PMLI as a registered sympathizer, despite being an ocean away currently, this counts for absolutely 0 unless I'm having an abstract conversation regarding whom I support and quote sometimes when I'm chilling with my Comrades).

http://ncplc.wordpress.com/towards-a-maoist-party-a-call-for-communists-to-unite-to-form-a-liaison-committee/

http://www.mer-rsm.com/

Also as an added bonus and a big hello to the CPNS (which I've been in before as another nation), I'd like to include this link to the streaming sight for Bambu, a fantastic MLM Rapper from the US.

http://www.djbooth.net/index/albums/review/bambu-party-worker#stream

Happy Thanksgiving(at least to those of you who are in the U.S.); the holiday where we all gather together with our families, and oh…wait, the holiday where the Bourgeoisie shove their products down our throats and don't let us come up for air until after Christmas. The reason that I am attacking this holiday is the practice of Black Friday; the most ridiculous and harmful activity that the modern Proletariat participates in. Black Friday has slowly intruded into one of my personal favorite holidays: Thanksgiving. This year, for example, some stores are opening at 5:00p.m. tonight. This is completely unacceptable! How are working class families supposed to be able to enjoy what was one of the few guaranteed days off in the retail business? People can't even have dinner anymore! Instead they must work long hours for minimum wage in order to line the pockets of corporatist pigs. These CEO's don't have to work on this holiday! They don't have to fight for their lives as a hoard of rabid consumerists charges them. NO! They don't have to deal with these hardships and it is crazy for them to think that these practices are okay! People die because of the absurdity that is Black Friday! It is unethical to force workers to work today, it is immoral to allow the practice of Black Friday to continue! LET THE WORKERS STAY HOME WITH THEIR FAMILIES! Have a happy Thanksgiving comrades. Let us remember those of us who are forced to toil in order for a few to obtain a profit. Solidarity to all are are forced to work today in the name of corporate greed.

—Sorry, I got a little bit heated in the end.—

Unified germany

Alright everyone! I've a question for all of my comrades here. What is everyone's opinion on Cuba? My thoughts on the matter are that we are told a lot of things about it that aren't true. Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other nation (as I understand), and most Cubans I've met are intelligent people, who aren't subject to "terrible living conditions" we're told about. Although it isn't anywhere near what it should be in terms of Communism, and it's currently declining into a more capitalistic state, I'd say it's better off than many have been shown.

Unified germany wrote:Alright everyone! I've a question for all of my comrades here. What is everyone's opinion on Cuba? My thoughts on the matter are that we are told a lot of things about it that aren't true. Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other nation (as I understand), and most Cubans I've met are intelligent people, who aren't subject to "terrible living conditions" we're told about. Although it isn't anywhere near what it should be in terms of Communism, and it's currently declining into a more capitalistic state, I'd say it's better off than many have been shown.

I think Cuba is one of the most successful Commu-Capital states on the planet (behind China.). Besides it's almost complete isolation it enjoys a better literacy rate and living conditions than some American cities. (In the 60's Castro had all the school children who could read teach their parents. It increased literacy 100 fold) While it is obvious that they are taking a distinctly capitalist path to success i feel it is unfortunately necessary for their survival, given the Capitalist world we live in.

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Unified germany wrote:Alright everyone! I've a question for all of my comrades here. What is everyone's opinion on Cuba? My thoughts on the matter are that we are told a lot of things about it that aren't true. Cuba has more doctors per capita than any other nation (as I understand), and most Cubans I've met are intelligent people, who aren't subject to "terrible living conditions" we're told about. Although it isn't anywhere near what it should be in terms of Communism, and it's currently declining into a more capitalistic state, I'd say it's better off than many have been shown.

I think that, due to its association in the Cold War (i.e. external pressures), it became trapped in much the same state that the Soviet Union was caught in, but became more of a benevolent dictatorship (4Years would likely use the term "Proletarian Bonapartism"); however, due to continued external pressure, it has had to more integrate capitalism into its economics to both seek foreign trade, and to develop itself. Where this will lead, I cannot say.

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