WA Delegate: The Federal Union of Mons Garle (elected )
Regional Power: Very High
Today's World Census Report
The Most Efficient Economies in Social Liberal Union
Nations ranked highly are the most ruthlessly efficient at translating raw resources, including people, into economic output.
As a region, Social Liberal Union is ranked 6,376th in the world for Most Efficient Economies.
|1.||The City-State of Phing Phong||Left-wing Utopia||“Wisdom shall destroy ignorance”|
|2.||The Magnificent Kingdom of Avaerilon||Left-wing Utopia||“Ylf ī'n Qidīol īr Fyr Aspar (I am True to My Spirit)”|
|3.||The Capital of Holtmimir||Liberal Democratic Socialists||“ᴀʟʟ ɍᴀᴛʜᴇʀs ᴄᴀʀᴇ ɍѳʀ ᴛʜᴇɪʀ sѳɴs”|
|4.||The Federal Republic of Euphion||Anarchy||“for freedom and liberty!”|
|5.||The All-Saints Paradise of Goncar||Left-Leaning College State||“With freedom comes responsibility ”|
|6.||The Modus of Christian Republic||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“I'm infinite, necessarily existing, only substance. ”|
|7.||The Unified Kingdom of AsminoLand||Scandinavian Liberal Paradise||“Many But One ”|
|8.||The Federal Democratic Republic of Vancovaria||Left-wing Utopia||“Freedom isn't freedom without equality”|
|9.||The Egalitarian Archipelago of Kanoria||Left-wing Utopia||“give of their own, to learn from the other.”|
|10.||The Determined Republic of United Democracy of Scientists||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“With our minds, we may find ourselves and the stars.”|
- : The Principality of The Tirol region arrived from The Brexiteers.
- : The Allied States of Arktikos arrived from Conservative League.
- : The Confederate States of Rutba arrived from The Black Hawks.
- : Lost and slightly bemused ceased to exist.
- : The Fair and Just Commonwealth of Renasci of the region United Liberal Conglomerate proposed constructing embassies.
- : The Fair and Just Commonwealth of Renasci departed this region for United Liberal Conglomerate.
- : Embassy cancelled between LSI and Social Liberal Union.
- : Potestia ceased to exist.
- : The golden mean ceased to exist.
- : Riuj ceased to exist.
Social Liberal Union Regional Message Board
You're right. Atheists can be a good example. It is more than confidence. I've seen a lot of arrogance and intolerance, but that's a whole separate discussion.
I use the traditional textbook definition for these terms, otherwise I feel they hold no meaning at all. I know people that espouse these philosophies often disagree, but in the ways that they disagree, I don't think their argument is particularly useful, measurable, and/or realistic.
Communism = anarchism (loss of law, loss of the formal state) along with tribes or communes that arise organically on very small scales. I think this is a fairytale because the only non-expanding civilization is one that doesn't have property rights and goes to war constantly. The real communists that I've met often seem to be deluded by the Noble Savage myth. Also, they greatly overestimate the ability for independent communities to cooperate for large projects that necessarily require complete cooperation. As we develop our technology further, this is barrier for entry continues to rise.
Socialism = the government ownership of industries. Yes, there are other features common or basically inherent to socialism, but because they can be found in other systems, I do not think they are correctly *the definition* of socialism. Therefore, I don't consider hardly any governments in the world to be socialist. Maybe N Korea or Cuba are; I don't pay attention to be honest. The only socialist aspects in America, off the top of my head, are the utilities. Hiring private contractors isn't socialist. Taxing isn't socialist (although at a 90% tax rate, I don't see how you could have anything but central planning of the economy). Welfare isn't socialist (food stamps, housing vouchers, and single payer health care are effectively hiring private contractors for food and housing, and the other major programs are just cash-like benefits), although you will certainly see a lot of it if you centrally plan your economy. The great problem with socialism is the calculation problem and the lack of reward for innovation.
As for weak arguments that I disagree with, I can't think of any great examples right now. Generally, I place a lot more weight in statistics than a moral argument. The left and the right often makes moral arguments, which don't really fly with me. I have morals, but they are measured in statistics and scientific models. I guess my philosophy for many, but not all, things is that if you can't measure it, you don't know it.
Also, another example would be things that make more or less sense at different scales. As the world is today, I don't think gun control makes a whole lot of sense. We have massive borders and massive rural areas that would be impossible to police. In the end, honest people would be defenseless against gangs and other dishonest people in general. Could we reaaaally lay down the hammer for illegal gun and make other powerful legislation of that nature? I suppose, but I still think it would be a rough situation.
Now, say we made an agreement with Mexico to jointly reduce guns. Obviously, we have to legalize drugs to prevent the illegal drug trade from having power in Mexico. Slowly working on peace there, I think we could also slowly start to reduce gun levels. We'd probably work with Canada on this too.
Another example is a high speed rail system. It makes some economic sense in America. One of the main projects discussed is the California high speed rail, but I have to wonder how many people in LA really want to go to SF (and likewise for the opposite). Now, imagine the entire nation was set up with high speed rail. Ok, now this is starting to seem more economical and great to have. Now, imagine the US, Canada, Russia, and China agree to an intercontinental rail, including a tunnel or bridge over the Bearing Strait. This would be one of the greatest technological achievements in mankind's history, in my opinion. It would transform so many things. Once we're in East Asia, it would also be easy to expand to the rest of Asia, Europe, and even Africa. I've long felt that transportation innovation is the key to world peace and solidarity. Once we have those things, we can stop our competitive practices that waste resources, such as the military. If we had an EU-like organization covering North America, Europe, and Northeast Asia (to start out), we could probably fairly quickly bring everyone else up to high living standards and have the authority to police bad areas instead of having to militarize them. Police works against terrorism; militaries don't.
Collective ownership, not government ownership. While government ownership is the easiest and most practiced way to achieve this (and I believe in some cases the only or best way) it can just as well be achieved through democratized market economies. For a (not perfect) RL example, you could take a look at Tito's Yugoslavia, which is afaik the closest to this we have ever achieved.
Regarding the definitions: Just about everyone on the left is in agreement that communism is a classless, stateless, socialist society. Socialism is defined as the workers owning the means of production, which can take the form you suggested for it (government ownership) or some other form of ownership. These are the definitions one can come up with by going through just about any leftist literature (including those by Marx). To take any other definition would be a disservice to the ideologies and would continue decades-old anti-communist propaganda. Anarchism, too, suffers from such misinformation. It is a stateless society. That's it, for the most part. You'll have your anarcho-communists, mutualists, anarcho-primativists, and even anarcho-capitalists, each having a different economic policy, but are all united in their disdain for the state (ancaps are, however, usually seen as outside the anarchist umbrella because of a pervasive and well-deserved disdain for capital).
The thing about statistics and scientific models is that the former can be manipulated by tweaking the variables ever so slightly and the latter can be suppressed. Just look at all of the varying nutrition studies where one day eggs are the Devil incarnate and the next day you're guaranteed a place in Heaven just by having one. Or the environmental studies that were suppressed by fossil fuel industries that are only now coming to light. Moral arguments are just an easy way to get a point across to a large cross-section of the population without them needing to conduct a study to make sure you're right.
Well, many on the left are actually in favor of common-sense gun control to no control. It goes hand-in-hand with the idea of revolution; how could the workers revolt without access to weaponry? Historically they've stormed arsenals, but those are pretty much under strong military control now, so that would pose an issue.
Legalizing drugs would not stop the cartels too much. Now instead of offing a bus because a passenger insulted them, they'll kidnap the females on the bus and sell them off into slavery. They've spent too much on building networks for them to just give up and leave because the US legalized marijuana and/or decriminalized drugs. It would require military offenses and improving impoverished areas to stop the cartels, just like any other rebellion around the world.
I can't say that I would agree that the world would unite over infrastructure, but I do like the idea of a world-wide infrastructure project and think that infrastructural overhaul has been long due.
Hello, what is you guys opinion on brexit?
Ewwwww, thats an icky word.
Sorry, but I've got to steal your motto.
You are most welcome to do so ;) I've stolen Normandy and Picardy's flag for the referendum.