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The Commonwealth of Central Kadigan wrote:I have voted FOR the General Assembly resolution "Rights of Indigenous Peoples".

I am open to debate on the issue.

The issue seems rather contentious in the overall vote (currently 56-44) and I have received at least 4 telegrams on the issue, but our region have voted 7-1 FOR it.

The Commonwealth of Central Kadigan wrote:
That said, I do believe that regulations can go too far, but I would rather have an overregulated marketplace than one in which businesses run rampant over the rights of my populace. I do not trust “big government”, but I will choose that scenario over “big business” 10 times out of 10.


It is worth noting that governments have armies, jails and a monopoly on the use of force. Businesses, even the biggest, have none of these things. This does not mean that businesses should not be regulated, but it does mean that abuses of government are far more to be feared than abuses of businesses. (IMO, of course.) Another corollary of this fact is that it is probably best for government and business to be opposed to each other. A business with the government standing behind it is far more dangerous than one which stands apart from it.

Let me add to the above by noting that, of course, big businesses can in fact have armies and a willingness to use deadly force, as with the Mafia and the drug cartels of various nations. This is hardly ever the sort of organization people are referring to when they talk about the dangers of "big business" however, and "business regulation" tends to have remarkably little impact on them. :) If you think Wal-Mart is evil for its labor policies, just try unionizing the Mafia rank and file!

The Enlightened Purgatory of NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:It is worth noting that governments have armies, jails and a monopoly on the use of force. Businesses, even the biggest, have none of these things. This does not mean that businesses should not be regulated, but it does mean that abuses of government are far more to be feared than abuses of businesses. (IMO, of course.) Another corollary of this fact is that it is probably best for government and business to be opposed to each other. A business with the government standing behind it is far more dangerous than one which stands apart from it.

The Enlightened Purgatory of NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:Let me add to the above by noting that, of course, big businesses can in fact have armies and a willingness to use deadly force, as with the Mafia and the drug cartels of various nations. This is hardly ever the sort of organization people are referring to when they talk about the dangers of "big business" however, and "business regulation" tends to have remarkably little impact on them. :) If you think Wal-Mart is evil for its labor policies, just try unionizing the Mafia rank and file!


This is true, and a fair point. I would observe, however, that when a government goes awry and uses it's armies, jails, and 'force' against its people, that these abuses are usually overt and blatantly obvious, and thus subject to popular opposition.

Conversely, I would observe that when a corporation attempts to leverage its amassed power and influence to squash its competition through monopoly, enslave its workers (through pittance wages, long work days, and dangerous working conditions), and sacrifice *everything* in the name of profit (environment, worker safety, public welfare, &c) - that it has not, in fact, "gone awry" at all - it is behaving exactly as a business is supposed to and expect to.

It is the purpose (one of, anyway) of the government that is "of the people, by the people, and for the people" to hold the excesses of "big business" in cheque.

I'd also add that I agree wholeheartedly with The Enlightened Purgatory of NW Hell Rehab Center's point: A business with the government standing behind it is far more dangerous than one which stands apart from it. I absolutely agree! A similar sentiment is often attributed to Italian politician Benito Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."

The Commonwealth of Central Kadigan wrote:The Papal States of Holy Mother Church, I am not a fan of the public subsidization of private businesses. All that does is privatize the rewards of capitalism while foisting the public on the hook for all of the risk..


I wasn't making an argument about real world economics, I was talking about NS gameplay.

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The Commonwealth of Central Kadigan wrote:This is true, and a fair point. I would observe, however, that when a government goes awry and uses it's armies, jails, and 'force' against its people, that these abuses are usually overt and blatantly obvious, and thus subject to popular opposition.


I'm not sure I agree with this. Consider the case of the Ferguson Police Department. I'm not talking about the racism here (which obviously many people in the area were perfectly aware of), but the habit of enforcing the law in an arbitrary and overbearing manner, in order to extract money in the form of fines from the citizenry. I think this sort of thing happens in very many jurisdictions in the US, but relatively few are aware of it. Even individual victims often have no idea how pervasive the problem is, and of course there is virtually no recognition of the problem by the political class, much less effective attempts at opposition.

This isn't at the level of fascism, but it still ought to be the scandal of the nation.

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