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The pyramids were likely built using slave and conscripted labour.
I have actually been to Egypt (GREAT country!) and even climbed down into the Great Pyramid of Cheops. The things are f'ing HUGE. Visiting Egypt should be on everyone's bucket list. ;)
I'll spare you a repeat of the rankings since we had this one fairly recently.
We're now edging into free will vs. determinism and the ethics that flow from such. Some writers, notably Kant, have made the point that you are not being ethically good when you're being nice to your friends because you get rewards/positive reinforcements in a tit-for-tat relationship, selfishly stroke your ego about what a nice person you are, etc. Kant maintained that the only ethically commendable kindness was that shown to strangers or even to persons we loathe, but even then one could argue you get your ego stroked by being such a nice person, in your own eyes, those of the community, maybe even God if she's watching. :)
I disagree. The pleasure that comes from an action may be incidental to one's reasons for performing it. And it's doubtful that anyone feels good about performing one's duty all of the time - but one may still choose to do it.
[quote=nw_hell_rehab_center;11060453I doubt that Mother Teresa spent her life ministering to the wretched without getting deep fulfillment from it, because she had an affinity for that sort of service.[/quote]
On the contrary, her personal letters reveal that she spent much of her life in a "dark night of the soul" and that she underwent intense personal suffering and depression stemming from doubt.
I am not sure what you were told or saw but my experience led me to conclude the first pyramids or the great pyramid was not built by slaves. The organizational capabilities of the empire may have fallen afterwards but it was at its height for the great pyramid. Especially if you compare the interior chambers of each. I went into both. The great pyramid is perfect. The second is definitely not perfect.
It was awe inspiring to see the pyramids as you approach, even with all the garbage built up around it. It must have been 100x that when they were covered with limestone. That right there was a powerful positive inspiration, besides the thought you work would guarantee you would live forever. Quite a motivator, especially when you consider these buildings were the biggest things these people would ever see for thousands of years.
Even approaching the work zone must have been inspiring and quite unlike anything they would have seen. Whole cities sprung up where nothing was before. To be a part of something unlike anything else would be a motivator. I am sure some soured on it or thought the whole thing a collossal waste of time but to others there were many reasons to do it. I mean you get thousands of people lining up to buy something the first day it is issued, even though Ty know perfectly well they can get it later. Why? To be a part of something.
People have banded together for a lot crappier reasons than that. I fail to see why it is likely it would have to be unwilling laborers. It wasn't like they spent there entire lives there. But I don't see the Jews as any sorts of slaves in Egypt either, no matter what was written about it.
This fact does not contradict what I said in any way.
I have voted FOR the Security Council resolution to repeal commend Krulltopia. This does not look like it will be a contentious vote.
The previous SC resolution to condemn Stujenske 12,643 to 1,344 - that's >90%
taking from a philosophical lens regarding motivation: Peter Singer has brought out an excellent book this year on charity donation and altruism which is a good read. That said, most of Singer's work is. Maybe a bit more upto date than Kant's writing style...
That said, something more closely to the debate on motivation may not necessitate free will. But absolutely the good Dr. George had hit the nail on the head with value ethics which steeps into the psychological processes of motivation.
It would be lovely if everyone loved their job for the sake of loving it. But that ain't always going to be the case. Practically it can't. What is clear though with absolute certainty, is that if you are only motivated through external gain then you end up making a half arsed job of the thing, no matter the reward (extrinsic motivation).
Take it a step on, and say that slaves being part of a greater whole when creating hallmarks of ancient Egypt must have thought "epic, there is a chance I will die building this; there is no chance I am going to ever enjoy the fruits of my labour at the end of this; but dammit, I just cannot get this warm fuzzy feeling out of myself, because I am part of something", seems to me a little naive.
Labour, from anyone, who is in a Marxist sense, alienated, is labour of low quality. Pure and simple. We find this finding through proxy, of course, as it is theoretical, to be confirmed time and time again in the literature.
Actually, I think it does precisely that.
There are two main issues here that you haven't addressed:
(1) That there is often a conflict between one's "personal whims and desires" and the demands of a larger goal, and that people can and do sacrifice the one for the sake of the former.
(2) That even if performing an action results in a good feeling, it does not follow from this that the action was performed for the sake of feeling good, and that therefore the action in question cannot be deemed to be "selfish" (i.e. undertaken primarily for one's self interest).
What are your thoughts on the new General Assembly proposal? Should we mandate sex education?
I personally favor the proposal, although I predict that more religious nations will oppose it.