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The Best of the Bots of Badness Gracious wrote:Now imagine them said by a random spear-carrier in the Macedonian army. Just another thought!


"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." --random spear carrier, Macedonian army

MacroGlup, Visiting Queendom of Myself, and Nitliak

The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:1.44 billion Facebook users can't be wrong!


Ah! But they can! Wisdom does not automatically arise from crowds. There are an awful lot of McDonald's customers too.

But let's suppose that Facebook is, in fact, the most wonderful thing the world has yet seen. It is pessimistic to assume that now progress will stop, and that "forever" (your word) we will see no further advancement or improvement. That certainly is not the way that technology has worked up till now: the term self-obsoleting comes to mind. If we don't see a collapse in civilization, I think that the best Facebook can hope for is to be seen as similar to black-and-white television - a worthwhile achievement, to be sure, but merely a steppingstone on the way to many other next big things.

Nitliak and Huxtopia

The Utopian Commonwealth of Discoveria wrote:"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." --random spear carrier, Macedonian army


You are right, a random Macedonian foot-soldier could end up a great historian. But my point was that there are many more options for "acting rather than observing" in positions of power and privilege. Alexander could attempt any damn thing he wanted, and if his dream was to conquer the world, he could go for it. But that Macedonian soldier was far more likely to end up a casualty on some Persian battlefield, playing out the consequences of his monarch's risk-taking, than to make his own dreams reality.

MacroGlup and Nitliak

The Enlightened Purgatory of NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:But let's suppose that Facebook is, in fact, the most wonderful thing the world has yet seen. It is pessimistic to assume that now progress will stop


You're taking my comment far too literally. Facebook, in my statement, is just a symbol - a symbol of technological and economic progress. Of course it's not going to stop; when I say the future is an eye checking their Facebook forever, I mean that the future is an infinite progression, a movement powered by (you guessed it) Capitalism!

The Best of the Bots of Badness Gracious wrote:You are right, a random Macedonian foot-soldier could end up a great historian. But my point was that there are many more options for "acting rather than observing" in positions of power and privilege.


Your example is true of some poo kicking serf back in the dark ages perhaps, but the beauty of the capitalist system is that anyone can become an Alexander.

The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:You're taking my comment far too literally. Facebook, in my statement, is just a symbol - a symbol of technological and economic progress. Of course it's not going to stop; when I say the future is an eye checking their Facebook forever, I mean that the future is an infinite progression, a movement powered by (you guessed it) Capitalism!

Your example is true of some poo kicking serf back in the dark ages perhaps, but the beauty of the capitalist system is that anyone can become an Alexander.


Paragraph one: Now who's an idealist? It's just as possible that capitalism will result in a completely annihilated planet on which only a few humans scrape by in their super-technologically advanced (read: super expensive) survival pods.

Second paragraph: This is patently untrue. I find it hard to believe that a poverty-stricken illiterate in peru will become the next bill gates, as he has no chance of learning about how either computers or even capitalism works. The only people capable of advamcing in capitalism are those with the opportunity to learn about how the economic system works, and who have the resources to apply that knowledge to a practical endeavor. Just wanting it, and even working tirelessly for it, does not mean you will actually obtain your goals.

Within capitalism, you can modify your odds of success, but starting against long odds means even large improvements do not necessarily get you to even a decent chance for success. The random spear carrier could maybe make it to captain, but without extensive study of military tactics won't get him to general, and he'd need an even broader education to make it to king. And that education is impossible to obtain when you're soldiering 80 hours a week.

Xiansai

The Holy Cyan Elephant of Nitliak wrote:Paragraph one: Now who's an idealist? It's just as possible that capitalism will result in a completely annihilated planet on which only a few humans scrape by in their super-technologically advanced (read: super expensive) survival pods.


Survivaballs! They're already being marketed to corporate executives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3a3XBnMe5Q

The Enlightened Purgatory of NW Hell Rehab Center wrote:If we don't see a collapse in civilization,


at the rate we're going, i'd say that's a pretty big "if"!

The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:Perhaps some truths are self-evident, or should be - and today of all days is a good one to reflect on those truths which we hold to be self-evident. And evidence based reasoning is all well and good, but sometimes, a man's just got to go with his gut. Gut feelings are data too! There's too much emphasis on the cranium in this culture, not enough on alimentary sensations!

In any case, I've given as much evidence for my views as my interlocutors. Which leads me to wonder why you only admonish me for making ideological assertions with no proof, when clearly there have been many others who have posted in the last few days who've given no more "proof" or "evidence" for their views than I have. Maybe some views are more welcome here than others?

And ad hominem? I don't think there's been any of that, although really I think that's overused as fallacy. Sometimes it's entirely appropriate to call attention to who is making an argument. Sometimes, you've just got to call a spade a spade!


Perhaps I am getting the gut feeling that you have no genuine interest in philosophy, that you are a beneficiary of wealth and privilege and are simply here to annoy those of us who put genuine effort into thinking things through. By your calculus, then, I would be entirely within my bounds to banject you from the region, right? :)

The Military Industrial Complex of Yanktopia wrote:
Your example is true of some poo kicking serf back in the dark ages perhaps, but the beauty of the capitalist system is that anyone can become an Alexander.


This is simply not so. To become an Alexander, you need to have some military aptitude, and all the capitalism in the world won't get you that if you don't have it. Or, to leave world conquest behind, suppose your dream is to become a world-class basketball player. If your height is 5'6", all the risk-taking and all the capitalism in the world won't make your dream reality.

I can even give a real-life example. I have a friend whose dream was to become a successful novelist. He got a few stories published, but mostly he collected rejection slips. I've read a little of his stuff, and it did not have the spark that really successful writing has - I wouldn't have wanted to read his novel. When he became a dad, he decided he would have to bid the dream farewell, and make some money. He's now a software tester, which has nothing to do with any dream he ever had, and he still feels that if only he'd worked a little bit harder, he'd have found success. Which I personally doubt.

Alexander may have dreamed himself into world conquest, and Steve Jobs may have dreamed himself into an amazing combination of tech wizard and entrepreneur, but few of us have that kind of potential to rock the world.

The Democratic Communes of Marche Noir wrote:Survivaballs! They're already being marketed to corporate executives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3a3XBnMe5Q


The full documentary, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkItiDgTLY is even better!

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