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You are a disgrace to democracy. You purposefully prevent yourself from being informed by ignoring any evidence against Hillary. There are legitimate reasons to vote for Hillary. The problem is that you have chosen to "see no evil, hear no evil" when it comes to Hillary. You are the only person, who when faced with thousands of documents showing Hillary is a shady corrupt politician, would refuse to even consider that evidence. You could say things like "Yeah, it's not right for Hillary to cater to corporations, but Trump literally is a corporation!" But you don't. You say "What? Hillary catering to Corporations? Hillary has never worked for them. She never supported 85% of all trade deals, changed her stance on the banking bill, or supported the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Never happened. Oh, you have sources? I'll just ignore them."
As such, I do not ever what to see you on NS ever again. Because you are a bad person IRL. Because you undermine democracy, and enable oligarchy, through your self-imposed ignorance. You often try to turn that argument around on me, except it doesn't work, since I have posted hundreds of pages of evidence, and you have posted a Samantha Bee video. Hillary is corrupt, and any reasonable person can see that. But you aren't a reasonable person, Natan. Admitting Hillary's faults does not mean supporting Trump. It means analyzing your candidate and understanding not just what you want to see, but what is there in plain sight. But you don't want to do that. You despicable scum. You are a danger to society by championing ignorance.
I honestly don't even see the point in discussing Trump because we agree. When it comes to politics I'm not looking for an echo chamber.
Natan, I hope over the last few days you have realized that Hillary is more likley to cause conflict with Russia instead of Trump who says he would like to work with Putin.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cia-prepping-possible-cyber-strike-against-russia-n666636
I can't be in this region any longer Natan. You support someone who will not just annihilate you, but me as well, and everyone else. I am staying here till the election, but after that I'm gone.
Well, just saying. When a disagreement gets to be too much, I find the best way to cool off is to discuss something of mutual interest.
Regarding Hillary, perhaps she is. I don't deny that possibility. However, this is because she'd be tougher on Russia, while Donald Trump may very well be in Putin's pocket. And overall, Donald Trump is far more likely to start conflict with pretty much any other nations, including our allies. He'd even consider dissolving NATO. Regardless, all 4 candidates come with risks. All are an evil. But people are entitled to their decisions. That's democracy.
Regarding leaving: I'll tell you the same thing I told Balloonists. I believe it's wrong to leave just because you disagree with someone. Do you think democracy would work if every time, one party resigned from congress or left the country just because of a discussion that they disagree on? People should be able to put their differences aside and work together, regardless of their disagreements. If you want to leave just because you disagree with me in a petty debate that I think we've had enough of as it is, nothing's stopping you. But I'm just saying that leaving the region because of it is wrong, and people shouldn't let their disagreements get in the way of democracy. So, rather than leave, I do hope you'll decide to stay, and help make a great democracy, regardless of my views.
Also, Just wondering, which election, the US election, or the Natan Region election a few days later?
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I'm leaving because I've exhausted all avenues with you. The discussion has been circled around over and over again by you and I believe only the constant barrage of new information will change your mind. I would encourage you to check the wikileaks twitter daily for updates on the Clinton links. I will be posting other stuff on here that I view important to the election. The reason why I am leaving after the election Natan, is because this isn't a good region to be in. The region has died over and over again and at this point in hitting a dead horse with a stick that I've already hit. I know what's going to happen. When the regional election comes up you'll simply put puppets into the region and start advertising and hope you'll actually pull in a real person. You won't though, there's to much out there now about you and this region that I doubt anyone will be willing to join except for the lol's. That's the honest truth of the situation.
In order for this region to have any sucsess here's what you have to do.
1) stop with the puppets. You'll get caught every time by someone even half paying attention.
2) remove yourself completely from having an innate constitutional involvement in regional politics. You're only involvement as being the founder should be to ban people if needed. Besides that any power you get should be elected power.
3) Write a new constitution and base it off something that already has success like the pacific regions constitution.
4) get rid of the Natan Recruitment forum. It's caused you and this region nothing but trouble and has convinced no one from coming here.
5) change the colours on the forum. Black and white are fine. Just put the flag at the top of the screen.
Evidence that the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign coordinated with super-pacs to incite violence at Trump rallies... Oh and as always there's more to come about Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
Slarv is gonna leave ;-;
Look what you done, Natan, I told you that this election talk isn't that beneficial as no one has changed minds. On a level though, I have been searching for a new region; I can't really find a region that suits me.
The Podesta emails leak got me laughing, though, pretty sure Natan would want these revealers (don't think that's even a word, lol) to be incarcerated..
Good luck, America
Why should I change my opinions just to appease you? I'm entitled to my viewpoint. I've seen what wikileaks had to say. I've seen what others have had to say. I agree that the discussion has circled around over and over again. But I haven't been the one persistent in continuing it; I've tried to stop it several times.
As for this regions "death", it has it's good points and low points, but I always get it back up again. And I don't put puppets in this region, nor will I. How about this: If I can actually get some legitimate nations to join by the regional election, then you stay here?
I've already said I'm done discussing this election. talk about it with others if you want, but I'm done.
What do you think I've been saying about this election?
Good luck Natan. That's all I have to say.
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Hey Natan, what do you think of Clinton's ethics policy?
"First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.
Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.
Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.
Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.
Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation."
Thank you, we'll try to make it if we have time.
My God, half the country is calling themselves "Deplorable", and the other half is calling themselves "Nasty". Where my country at? (South park Reference)
In the middle of a rigged election if you follow the wikileak's and O'keefe tapes.
brainsss
Read it and weap Natan. FBI is re-opening the case against Hillary Clinton.
sorry, had some schoolwork keeping me busy.
They are only looking at a few emails connected to an UNRELATED case.
I still believe trump would be far, far worse for this country.
Speaking of voter fraud, turns out the only fraud in this election is from trump's supporters, who have been voting twice: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/?postshare=2251477752772988&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.1902b541af3d
Oh my God, this article made my day: http://newsthump.com/2016/10/27/destruction-of-walk-of-fame-star-leaves-donald-trump-down-to-his-last-six-horcruxes/
I don't think you quite understand. That's even worse. They sent a letter out to congress to inform them that the democratic candidate is being probed for emails found in relation to essentially a pedophile case... if it was just a few emails they wouldn't of sent out a letter, they would have made a short press release about it now or after the election. Considering they don't know the gravity of these emails, it's not just a few.
Congratulations you found an isolated incident of voter fraud. That's actually not to uncommon.
Here's a video of democrat operatives connected to the Clinton campaign admitting to wide scale organized voting fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs
Well, we'll just have to wait and see what the FBI says after they go through them.
I'm aware it was isolated. I'm just trying to prove my point that trump's wrong about the rigging.
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