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Everyone I'm so sorry about not responding to the telegrams you sent me, I've been EXTREMELY busy and will be for the next few weeks.... Maybe it's for the best I'm not Delegate any more.

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:ok good.let me break this up a bit and have some nerd-fun.
Everybody believes in that. The only question is, lower taxes for whom? I want lower taxes on the middle class but higher taxes on the multi-billion dollar corporations and multi-millionaires and billionaires. If you want lower taxes on everyone, that's gonna fail. The best time for US economy was in the 1950-60, when marginal taxes went as high as 90% and effective taxes were about 70%. (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-01-02/1950s-tax-fantasy-is-a-republican-nightmare : "Republican President Dwight Eisenhower’s idea of a significant marginal rate cut was to push the top rate down to 91 percent from 92 percent. Corporate taxes hit 50 percent. Jobs proliferated, wages rose, and the economy prospered.")

I think we should just have no tax for the really poor and companies (that is basically the worst thing you could do to the economy), then a percentage-based flat tax for middle-and-high class. Basically what Hong Kong does, except that the flat tax would almost definitely be higher. Simple, efficient, and good for the economy. Just look at Hong Kong!

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:Why, exactly? I believe in EFFICIENT government. It's not necessarily less. The key is, when something is best done by free markets it should be left to them. But when some activity has either positive or negative externalities, there might be market failure and it's time for government to step in. If negative externalites (like pollution or bad safety etc.) by ways of regulation or Pigovian taxes, and if positive externalities (especially big projects like infrastructure, education, environment, welfare, public safety etc) the government should do it by itself. (I'm not getting into the question of Federal or State - there I think the Republicans might just have a point - but to the notion of any government's involvement in economy).

I understand government infrastructure and education. These are things that help the economy and people. But by protecting some companies out of bribery or favoritism and making quasi-monopolies, the government takes jobs away and hurts the economy. What do you mean by market failure? Give me an example.

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:Why? This is something I never understood. Again, I'm for EFFICIENT welfare. Fraud should be addressed, but is way way over-exaggerated in conservative media. welfare can be efficient, and less or no welfare is absolutely inefficient. If someone gets sick (or, heaven forbid, pregnant or gives birth) they should get benefits that allows them to get better while not worrying about mere living. it's efficient! This way they can get better and get back to work. If someone gets fired for some reason, they should get some months of benefits to help them get the time needed to find the best job instead of having to rush into the first job they are offered, which may be less productive to themselves and to society as a whole. Again, the way I see it, welfare is crucial for economic efficiency in modern economy.

"Conservative media"? There's no such thing.

I agree that welfare should be made as efficient as possible. People should actually have to show evidence that they've looked for jobs or are looking for a job to get welfare, or else they're truly disable to get one. We could save SO MUCH money that way, and it would help many of the people on welfare (so that they have to get a job) and help the economy by supplying more workers and lowering taxes, although much of that would certainly go to the military, infrastructure, and education.

Sea Dolphin Lovers wrote:With lower taxes? good luck with that.

Welfare takes up 59% of our tax dollars, the military 16%. You can see the numbers.

I'm against welfare because much of it isn't logical. If someone can work and probably get one of the millions of jobs that are available, then why should they get welfare? It suppresses one's work ethic and ambition, and is bad for both the people on welfare (they could get much higher pay if they just GOT A JOB), the taxpayers (Taxes), and the economy as a whole (less people in the labor force).

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Ilvadaki wrote:"Conservative media"? There's no such thing.

http://drudgereport.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.breitbart.com/
http://www.theblaze.com/
http://nypost.com/
http://freebeacon.com/

While the media is overwhelmingly liberal, there is indeed conservative media.

One form of media that IS overwhelmingly Conservative is books/essays written by economists or about economics. I wonder why.

Ilvadaki wrote:One form of media that IS overwhelmingly Conservative is books/essays written by economists or about economics. I wonder why.

Blatant lie.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-06-03/economics-turns-left-after-free-marketeers-retreat-noah-smith

Ilvadaki wrote:"Conservative media"? There's no such thing.

Blatant lie. See what IA wrote. Also, talk radio.

Ilvadaki wrote:What do you mean by market failure? Give me an example.

OK, so you actually don't know a thing about economics. "Market Failure" is a basic term in economics. Actually, maybe the most basic. Look it up. start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_failure

Ughhh, here we go with WA notifications again.

I was obviously exaggerating when I said there was no thing as conservative media, and I've only ever read right-wing (lower taxes and bureaucracy, at least) economics. And yes, I know what market failure IS. I just wanted you to produce an example of the government being smarter than the market (it's pretty rare).

Ilvadaki wrote: I've only ever read right-wing (lower taxes and bureaucracy, at least) economics.

Is that so? in that case you only know half of the truth, which might be worse than not knowing anything at all. I guess you're also against raising the minimum wage. have you heard about the term 'velocity of money'?
I suggest before you continue to make a fool out of yourself that you educate yourself with reading the second half. I suggest you start either by reading the bestseller "capital in the 21st century" by economist Thomas Piketty, or by listening to lectures by Prof. Joseph Stiglitz, Prof. Robert Reich and Prof. Paul Krugman (There are plenty of public lectures available in the net). Prof. Reich may be the easiest and most fun, because he has such great sense of humor. Start here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xtOZjSju1E (it's only 3 minutes, just to make you angry...) and continue here:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk4VCT5fo7M (Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few)
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWk_mKoYdI (WHY WORRY ABOUT INEQUALITY)
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3aJxy9tA-w (The Great Divide with Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Reich)
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGmUtJkTaqc (Paul Krugman and Robert Solow discuss inequality)
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7wIw1VNjSk (Joseph Stiglitz on Why Capitalism is Failing.)
6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOyX74kmjBY (Paul Krugman - The Economic Meltdown: What Have We Learned, if Anything?)

Ilvadaki wrote: And yes, I know what market failure IS.

Ilvadaki wrote: ... an example of the government being smarter than the market (it's pretty rare).

Those two are mutually exclusive statements.

...and there's of course Prof. Reich's movie Inequality for All (if you havn't seen it in theaters, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZsGDIfeqUM ). It's pretty fun and gives the basic argument.

Wait Professor Reich?
Is that seriously his name?

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Israel Ambassador wrote:Wait Professor Reich?
Is that seriously his name?

Yes.but when you look, he's as far from the stupid aryan stereotype as can be.you must, absolutely must, hear his lectures.apart from being smart, he's so much fun!

*Fmr. Communist IA activates* *grabs Mosin Nagant*

WHERE DOES THIS NAZI LIVE

He lives in The People's Republic of Berkeley.seriously, this one is no Nazi.

PERFECT ONLY FEW HOURS FROM MY HOUSING BLOC. UUURRRAAHHHHH

*charges up to San Fran*

I didn't vote for Bibi in the last elections (or any,for that matter),but one thing I can say:he is one talented speaker.have you seen his last speech at the UN? It worths the time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgSf3x9geI "The UN begun as a moral force has become a moral farse."I also loved the optimism, his recognition of our achievements as well as things we must work to improve,and how he paid tribute to Shimon Peres,my hero-and his bitter political rival.

see new poll:who won recent debate?

The life of Shimon Peres reads like a Israeli history book. As well it should. Moving to Tel Aviv as an 11 year old child living on a kibbutz.Served in the pre-independence militia that became the Israeli Defense Forces. Peres was a close aide and protege of David Ben-Gurion, the founding father and first prime minister of Israel. He was a confidant of Moshe Dayan, the commander of the Six-Day War. He encouraged the establishment of Jewish settlements on the captured West Bank. He shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Palestinian Leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli premier Yitzhak Rabin for negotiating the Oslo Accord. His roles included two stints as prime minister – from 1984 to 1986 as part of a rotational government, and for seven months in 1995 and 1996 after the assassination of Rabin – as well as minister of immigrant absorption, transportation, information, defense, communications (or posts and telegraphs as it was known at the time), internal affairs, religious affairs, foreign affairs, finance, regional cooperation, and development of the Negev and Galilee, serving in some of those positions more than once. He also served several times as acting prime minister, deputy prime minister and vice prime minister. He was sworn in as the ninth president of the state on July 15, 2007, he completed his seven-year term in 2014.His influence spanned 10 U.S. presidencies.
Rest in peace,
Blessed be the one true Judge

Thanks, FF. It has been a really sad day in Israel. In addition to what you wrote, Peres was the one who literally saved the Israeli economy in 1985 (we had 444% inflation in 1984, if you can believe it). He is known as a great man of peace in recent years, but he is the one to whom we owe our nuclear capability, and far more than that, in his youth he was one of the pillars of Israel's security. Basically - as Ben Gurion's right hand - he shaped Israel's strategic defense doctrine. He had a unique world vision and inspired hope, optimism, innovation and self reliance - all without forsaking any compassion to the other. He was one of the last founding fathers of modern Israel. He will truly, truly, be missed so much.
In the past he was a bit of a polarizing figure in our lively political arena. Extreme right wing lunatics considered him a traitor because of his effort to achieve peace (forgetting that he himself was more or less the founder of first Israeli settlements of Sebastia Kdumim and Ofrah) but in his later years he was loved by literally everyone here, and he truly loved everyone.
He received the Philadelphia liberty medal in 1996, and the presidential medal of freedom in 2012.
RIP

In today's column by Thomas Friedman, Friedman speaks of Shimon Peres as having "applied hope" "That perfectly describes Shimon Peres’s approach to politics and life." Here is the link to Friedmans column.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/opinion/peres-93-years-young.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fthomas-l-friedman&action=click&contentCollection=opinion®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0

The arab members of knesset embarass themselves by boycotting Peres' funeral. Those pieces of sh!t do damage to their cause, do damage to the hope of living side by side here, and do damage to the population they wish to lead and represent. F them and F the Palestinians who criticize PA's chairperson Abbas who decided, against his public views, to pay his respects to Peres.
I am so disappointed by them. It reminds me of Abba Eban's saying that the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Contrastly, God bless the US president for his order to fly flags at half-mast in Peres' honor.

Looks to me that the US elections are a done deal at this point. Get used to the term Madam President.

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