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Sounds good! I'm not sure if I've talked about political changes in our part of Indras in any of my posts, but I'll write something about it soon.

The Macabees wrote:This is what I remember and it's not necessarily in chronological order:

� Imbrinium launches mass anti-satellite attack, catalyzing a Kessler
� There is an ongoing conflict in the northeastern corner of the region, over Istegium (the disputed territory south of Haishan)
� The war over Stevidian Greal is ongoing
� I first occupied Zarbia and Monzarc, then reached an agreement with Stevid over Stevidian Guffingford, then occupied northern Indras (Lamoni occupied the south and renamed it Omega)
� A Macabee construction corporation hired mercenaries to take the Jumanota isthmus, which is in northern Holy Panooly; UWO is going to occupy the south, I'm going to occupy two islands there, and the construction company is building a canal across the isthmus
� A civil war erupted in Kassarran
� Castille is occupying Castleclose

I've been pondering, scrutinising and researching kessler syndrome and orbital theories, and I'm actually starting to doubt the veracity of kessler syndrome... Staying in orbit is such a precision exercise, that applying considerable amounts of kinetic energy to an object in orbit (or parts thereof) is likely to send all the bits of it either down (into the gravity well) or up (out of the gravity well). The chances that the wreckage would retain precisely and perfectly sufficient velocity and trajectory to maintain orbit is seeming like a bit of a stretch, truth be told.

Lyras wrote:I've been pondering, scrutinising and researching kessler syndrome and orbital theories, and I'm actually starting to doubt the veracity of kessler syndrome... Staying in orbit is such a precision exercise, that applying considerable amounts of kinetic energy to an object in orbit (or parts thereof) is likely to send all the bits of it either down (into the gravity well) or up (out of the gravity well). The chances that the wreckage would retain precisely and perfectly sufficient velocity and trajectory to maintain orbit is seeming like a bit of a stretch, truth be told.

It's not the dozens of pieces that go flying up or down, its the three or four that spread out and intercept others, and it only gets worse and worse, and it's not that it affects things already up there so much as those going up...

Hmm... given that the original orbital body is very precisely held in orbit, and has just been given an almighty thump, the idea of it, or its component pieces, maintaining orbital velocity at precisely the right attitude, altitude and speed to me seems a stretch... that one that manages thusly then ALSO happens to intercept another orbital body... which then ALSO has pieces that manage to go on to impact yet more orbital bodies...

It's starting to look less and less likely, the more I analyse the possibilities. But I have yet to make any determination.

We have to factor in, as well, the likely density of orbiting bodies. NS has several very well-off nations and it seems to me that there would be a greater amount of satellites per capita on NS than there is in RL. Imb launched thousands of missiles. The chance of secondary impacts should be pretty high, right?

I think your point does speak to the duration of the Kessler. How long does the average piece of space debris last in orbit? But, from what I've read, there's space debris in RL orbit that has been there for years, if not decades -- although, I'm citing from memory.

Lyras wrote:Hmm... given that the original orbital body is very precisely held in orbit, and has just been given an almighty thump, the idea of it, or its component pieces, maintaining orbital velocity at precisely the right attitude, altitude and speed to me seems a stretch... that one that manages thusly then ALSO happens to intercept another orbital body... which then ALSO has pieces that manage to go on to impact yet more orbital bodies...

It's starting to look less and less likely, the more I analyse the possibilities. But I have yet to make any determination.

*couch* I have been saying this the entire time *cough*

United states of pa

It makes sense to some degree.

You hit something with the force of a object going tens of thousands if not greater km/s, its going to move (or at least a large chunk of it will) in the opposite direction, in this case away from LEO. More will de-orbit probably. And they wont disintegrate into hundreds of small pieces either i would bet, but just a few large pieces.

As I said, I have been considering this, though am not yet in any way ready to make a conclusion in either direction. The reason for the research was for a hypothetical anti-kessler vehicle/satellite/drone/craft/thing... which, given my uncertainties, may not be a factor at all.

Also, Mac, while I grant that higher number of satellites, in total, given the enormous size of NS, I'm not sure I accept the higher-per-capita assertion, and I am not certainly not unreservedly accepting a higher-satellite-density-in-orbit point.
That doesn't mean this isn't so... it means I am currrently sitting on the fence.

Also, in other news, Dragonhawk is, I think, done. But then, I think that has been so several times now :P

United states of pa

Was just thinking, why not just co-development a space station with large numbers of robots with small boosters to de-orbit all the junk.

Most of the pieces are measured in cms. Deployable robots don't strike me as the best method. I was going down ways of ionising the debris to enable charged particles to repel or attract them, but have yet to generate a workable concept.

United states of pa

Assuming cms is Cubic Meters, i dont see why that size is a issue. Bigger stuff is routinely de-orbited and poses no issue.

As for the robots, was just my first idea. Anything that can de-orbit the debris would work. A Orbital Space Station makes sense to me though to control the operation because in orbit repairs and stuff if needed. And you can still controlled de-orbit the stuff into the ocean

No, I meant centimeters. So, small. Really small. Which is, in fact, part of the problem.

United states of pa

Now would be a greater time to development kinetic shielding lol

The distribution of incomes between countries on NS is radically different from that in RL. The majority of countries are RPd as being well-off. Whereas most countries on Earth don't have the capabilities of having space-based assets, a larger percentage of NS nations do. Many of us also have lax regulatory structures, meaning restrictions on commercial space assets are often non-existent or minimal. There's bound to be more private launches, since the political costs are much cheaper. In the NS world the private reach in space is likely to be much wider than in RL. Not only are their assets for telecommunication, but think of space tourism, commercial space centers for vessels coming in and out of the atmosphere (e.g. supply vessels from mines on satellites, transports, et cetera), and the many other possible enterprises that could make use of orbiting objects.

http://z10.invisionfree.invalid.com/GreaterDienstad/index.php?showtopic=272

All GD members should take a look at this thread, and dictate the "NS Will" of their nation or nations. Thank you.

United world order

Southern Holy Panooly gonna be properly enlightened by the great power and will of the UWO.

Um what's CTE?

Ceased to exist

I don't plan on dying for a long time.

The matthew islands wa

I will bet you cant guess who's puppet this is.

That's mine! You hacked it!

Child pornography ban WA resolution is probably one of the better resolutions and best written in a long time. Almost got my vote until I read Point 9 under clarification - inexplicably leaving out anime/cartoon/'artistic' materials of child serial exploitation from the resolutions mandate.

What the Hell? Didn't know such a subject could get so 'picky choosy' on explicit material of kids.

I find point 4 pretty suspect TBH.

"The act of transmitting a visual recording of oneself to another person or persons privately but not publicly, nor the receipt or possession of such recordings;"

Sounds like it is ripe for abuse by molestors who trick and manipulate their victims.

Probably written by a bronie.

The Macabees wrote:Probably written by a bronie.

Likely this.

Mac, what's the plan with Diensatory atm?

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