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Even though I was not much they helped so you coment is invalid cause they did help in some way, they helped=they were involved mind doing some research before?
I'm athiest, and I'm staying with my aunt, who is a bible beater. She just told my 5 year old brother that if you don't believe in god, bad things will happen to you. Wtf is wrong with that. My 14 year old brother won't even stay with her any more, so he won't come to the beach because of her. I'm debating on If I should come back in the future because she shoves her opinion down everyone's throat, and she's a hypocrite about it.
I know the type. my great aunt regularly states her opinion nice and loud, and gets affronted when someone does the same. however, she is the one with a million time shares, so she is with us on every trip.
My uncle is like that too. When he started sending preachy evangelising emails I started to send back rebuttals. It seemed to work as I stopped getting the emails.
rightly or wrongly I tend to vote on WA resolutions the way the majority of other nations in our region vote
I know the feeling, mostly when I'm forced to go to church, which hasn't happened recently but I never know when mom'll start again. I just go with it.
I wonder how many of the preachy type have considered the possibility that they could be using the name of the Almighty in a basphemous way, taking it in vain...
I'm not a church-goer myself anymore. "Whenever I sit among Christians, I see a thousand reasons to abandon faith. Whenever I sit among the heathens, I see a thousand reasons to renew it."
Truer words were never spoken. I'm just pretty damn agnostic, not completely I for the most part think there's something after death but for the most part I'm not all heaven/hell. Church for me, for the most part is a joke.
I have no problem with religion. I feel like people need it because it gives them a set of values and morals to follow. I'm athiest, but follow the values unrelated to god itself, because they are good. I choose to be athiest because I don't see the evidence or likelihood of there really being a god. It also lets me focus on other things without having to worry about the little things. However, as shown in the examples, some people live strictly by religion to the point it engrosses their life. Then you have the hypocrites. Even then if we didn't have religion, there would be no social order.
I want to die knowing I left a good influence on the rest of the world.
I'm confused by your comments 
Otis-T It sounds like you're saying only religion can provide any kind of moral or ethical guidance - but you yourself are an atheist - which would mean your moral codes and ethics are secular. You also said that without religion there would be no social order - this is also perplexing since you just described yourself as being a moral person, but one who doesn't believe in god. So it would follow that either you're immoral for not being religious, or you're moral and living according to a secularised code of ethics and values since you don't believe in God.
There's a quote that says "A person does not the the promise of heaven to find the merit in good deeds."
But I agree with St. Seb there. I believe that anyone can tell you that lying and murder and adultery are wrong and those are basic social constructs and have nothing really to do with belief in god. You can teach that to a child that telling the truth is good even without saying 'if you lie, god knows your sinning' or something like that. I know many atheists who live good moral lives because that's what you're supposed to do. They don't do it because of some sort of afterlife promise if they're good. Morality and ethics have nothing to do with religion. At least not in my mind. A doctor has ethics because they're taught to him/her. They don't need religion to give them the ethics they need to be a doctor.
Yes, but you see, the morals and ethics we have today come from the advancement of society through religion. It's the people who looked for meaning and organization of life that give us the basic set of guidelines and dos and don'ts of today's society. So in a nutshell, the creators of religion are the creators of morals and ethics, including the most primitive of examples.
But for all intents and purposes Otis, nowadays you don't need to have religion to have morals and ethics. Religion may have been the basis of those but it's also the basis of discrimination, homophobia, in some instances invoking racism (the KKK comes to mind.) Just because it's done some good it's also done irrevocable bad too. It also teaches that sexuality and sexual urges are frowned upon in women and general sexism. (And my apologies to any of you really religious people out there. This isn't aimed at you it's just a generalization of what religion /has/ done not what you're doing.)
Again, I disagree. I think this is a fairly glib argument relying on some unstated assumptions. But I also think this is a pretty polite conversation on the internet so, meh. What I would say is that a lot of our contemporary moral and ethical practices (in the West at least) stem from thinkers and philosophers who were reacting AGAINST the religiously-informed values of the past (I'm talking about the impact of The Enlightenment here). My point is, I disagree with any statement that an individual needs to adapt a religiously sanctioned set of values to be moral, likewise that religion is necessary to ensure civil morality. That's so widely detached from the historical reality it boggles my mind as to why anyone would accept that line of reasoning. Not to mention that the implied assumption is that all secular codes of conduct must therefore be immoral and that all secular societies are dysfunctional and predatory.
I kinda goes with the Christian: you either go to church or you'll burn in hell.
Yes they were involved,so? involvement does not equal official,to give an example if Discoveria or BearNation helped liberating a region,does it mean Gay liberated said region?
TBR is a easy target to blame because everyone knows them,not only is it pathetic to blame them for everything,it takes away credit from the people that actually did it
I actually dare say I did more research then you,I got friends with several raiding groups including TBR from which i hear these things first-hand and I'm involved in the drafting thread on the forum
related:
http://imgur.com/a/XGc6Y
TBR is easy to blame
Lol, no offense to the Muslim population, I won't say anything because you could probably read my mind.
Religion is basically built around philosophies. And the philosophers you speak of were attempting to make life better through government action, around that time religion was used as an excuse for everything, that's how kings and queens went into power. In the event of this abuse of power, they kept religion, but targeted the unfair and oppressive social order and government. My "assumptions" are based off what I know factual wise. I say this bluntly because I don't feel like making a long comment.
that's why I say I follow morals and values of Christianity, but not what the bible has put in to the mind of people who follow it. The racism, sexuality, and sexual urges come from interpretations of the bible. It seems that in today's world there are two people. Those who accept changes, and those who don't. Same goes for religion, but in a more picky sense. I take my values from the accepting side of Christianity, not the one track mind side.
If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane.
Yesterday I said "oh no he didn't" as a joke and was surprised how much i sounded like a sassy black woman
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