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Haven't we already?
This is so cliché it looks like a parody xD
Welcome to the modern world, where universal values, human rights and other assorted craps are valid reasons to intervene and criticise other polities when convenient.
Luziyca, Arkiasis, Victoriala, United Provinces of Atlantica, and 3 othersPavonistade, Sjalhaven, and Prybourne
Try applying this principle in other situations and you run into a lot of difficulty very quickly.
I suppose you could say so...
Of course it's part of southern history. It's from the part in your history when you thought it was ok to lock people up in cages and sell them based on the colour of their skin.
Honestly it is no different to Germany deciding it was going to fly the swastika above the Bundestag because it is part of German history.
Luziyca, Namor, United Provinces of Atlantica, and The ocelot isles
Calm down. People with political beliefs can very well add their own input as to what they think of political affairs in a country across the pond. For instance, I hold beliefs about Greece, even though I'm not Greek. When Greek people correct me, I accept that. It's an example, but a valid one.
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While I understand your point, there is a difference. The South did not massacre 12 million people, Nazi Germany did. I'm not saying that slavery wasn't bad, I'm saying that the Holocaust is just much worse.
The flag has different meanings to different people, to some it represents slavery, to others it represents a time when the Southern states fought from their states rights and for what they believed in, which was state's rights.
Oh god
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What I was saying was that while having people put their opinions in is good, they aren't relevant to the debate. The debate over the flag isn't a international debate, its one for the South.
I believe I need to clarify my position. I don't support the flag flying over our statehouse. I'm not ok with people trying to ban the flag, its a part of history. While yes that history is tainted with the horrible nature of slavery, it is still history and people need to understand that. As for removing the Confederate flag/battle flag from online websites and stores while leaving Lenin, and Che Guevara items is wrong. If you are going to remove one, remove everything.
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Well, i still have some retroactive articles to write, despite being five days behind schedule, and i need to fill in the rest of the IIwiki page, but now seems as good a time as any to start attention seeking for responses in the international reaction section for the 2015 coup d'état attempt
http://iiwiki.com/wiki/2015_Koy_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#International_Reaction
So, add stuff please.
Edit: If you have questions regarding events in said page telegram me.
But that logic doesn't make sense. "These guys weren't quite as evil as these other guys so it's ok."
I have to admit I didn't realise you were opposed to the flag flying over the statehouse, and I don't propose banning it outright, but it's use in southern society is worrying. In Germany today if a swastika was flown it would be criticised by 99.99% of Germans. The confederate flag seems to be a divisive issue in the south, and that's just plain disgusting.
They believed in slavery. They didn't believe in "state's rights". And dare I say it, but something that isn't alive, can't express feelings, doesn't have a mind, etc, doesn't have any rights. People, such as the nearly 4 million slaves in 1860 in the USA have rights, something called human rights. I suggest you look it up. Not states. What the South fought for was for the small, elite planter class to be able to live in massive mansions while they enslaved millions, and to be able to actually expand this gross violation of human rights. And the symbol of their completely unjust, mind you, cause was the Confederate flag (although it should be said that the popular Confederate flag wasn't even the actual Confederate flag. That was, IIRC, the flag of some Confederate Army in Virginia). And now you guys think it's OK to fly that flag. That flag is representing the Confederate cause. Which was a completely unjust cause. 'State's rights' (of which there are none, mind you) was not a part of their cause.
[Banjo intensifies]
*insert enormous facepalm and nodding in disbelief*
what have you become RMB?
Atlas. They have just shrugged at us copying them. *nods*
http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Namor
Our gr-rurr-ious ethnic unity.
We don't mention Atlas. Ever. It's the anus of RP regions.
If thee was the option to have the ROFL smiley that they use on the forums, I'd use it.
Sunalaya is obviously the anus of RP regions.
Sunalaya's really boring now, nothing exciting and remotely RP-related ever really happens there other than endless fights over the map and realism :|
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