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Post by Tsurara shirayuki suppressed by The-CID.

Tsurara shirayuki

Hm. Well, that's a disappointing telegram to log in to.

Good luck, all.

I moved here after I was ban-ejected from The Pacific after I:

- posted a message on RMB asking what a new system of provinces means and why there were no elections, in contrast to earlier messages by the ruling regime that elections will be held (they just decided who is who without consulting anyone),
- refused to join World Assembly and endorse the ruling regime.

After that I am rather wary of someone being ejected and banned from somewhere.

I wasn't sure what to think about all that has happened last night, but after going through records of the trial it became quite clear to me that this is ban-ejection of a nation was not without reason.

I am a rather rude person (talking back to my manager at work got me into trouble several times so I know where to draw the line now), but still the amount of obscenities that were quoted at trial as evidence & the amount of warnings that were issued before this ban was astounding.

I usually don't post anything on RMB (but I read it once in a while and I thoroughly enjoy it) and you may not know me very well (unless you have tasted my nation's finest Blue Cheese, now with more blue).

Summarizing:
I think ban-ejection was justified. There was much goodwill to solve the problem on Founder side as I see it. Recent changes are an opportunity to overhaul/polish the system.

The-CID and Big freedom

Thanks.

As a matter of fact, I love Blue Cheese!
A couple of weeks ago, due to a personal celebration with friends, I bought one Roquefort (Blue cheese french made)... Oh! Delicious!

Go away progressives

Go away progressives

There seems to have been a dispute - but as both sides are talking in an abstract ("inside baseball") type way, I have no idea what the dispute was really about.

Go away progressives

What, specifically, is Capitalist Producers supposed to have said that is less "respectful" than the sort of thing Quebec (and others) have said over the years?

Go away progressives

The-CID wrote:Thanks.
As a matter of fact, I love Blue Cheese!
A couple of weeks ago, due to a personal celebration with friends, I bought one Roquefort (Blue cheese french made)... Oh! Delicious!

Do not write about cheese in front of middle aged men - especially ones like me who have a supermarket five minutes walk away.

Cheese - blue cheese......

*Yawns and wakes from slumber, sees recent events and hides back under the covers*

Go away progressives wrote:What, specifically, is Capitalist Producers supposed to have said that is less "respectful" than the sort of thing Quebec (and others) have said over the years?

His last offensive post was deleted by the Mods... so quickly... that I did not even have the chance to look at it.

In previous posts, after words like "useful idiots" I gave him a warning (as I have done it for the last 3 years) and I also gave a warning to other nation in order to calm down the debate... just that. After that, the Vocals sent him a telegram that ended with "you are receiving a private reprimand and warning to reform your behavior. We'd hate to do anything more. You are a valuable member of Capitalist Paradise, but you sometimes go to far while in your unofficial role as the Minister of Bad Behavior." Nothing "big" as you can see... the telegram even ended with a kind joke.

We never put Capitalist Producers on trial for anything. He put us on trial claiming we were suppressing his free speech. Our defense was going to be that we only want to avoid Mod intervention and posts suppressed by the Mods, since we don't want anyone here to break the NS rules. We never even have the chance to present our case... For more than 4 months the only thing I witness was Capitalist Producerīs free accusations and insults... a mockery of a trial...

You can read the whole trial in our outside forum, from the moment the trial stated until the moment a vote of No-Confidence was launched by me; after that, the trial became null since 2 of the 3 Juries where under revision... (not removed!), so no more posts were allowed. These 2 juries left before the revision, Capitalist Producers was ban-ejected... and that's it.

From my point of view, I think its time to put an end to this chapter, guys.
Lets focus in the new Constitution, so this kind of things never happen again.

Kotkolandiya, Drasnia, Nation of Quebec, and Big freedom

Sucrati wrote:*Yawns and wakes from slumber, sees recent events and hides back under the covers*

Something like that.

Ohioan territory wrote:(...) I'm staying in this region, and I'll do what I can to be active and "help out" around here. I know I'm not the most active, and I know I've not been around too long, but I'm willing to do my part. Just let me know what I can do.

Exactly like that.

I got a telegram from CP saying there was posts deleted from the transcript of the 'trial' and he put up a link showing the deleted posts. I didn't bother to go to the links or trudge through the entire case to see what was said. *IF* this is true, however, I will say that is a not good thing to delete part of the 'official record' and that is something that doesn't sit very well with me. Also, that Tsurara Shirayuki's post on here was also suppressed (I saw what it said before suppression) doesn't look very good either.

Oobleck wrote:I got a telegram from CP saying there was posts deleted from the transcript of the 'trial' and he put up a link showing the deleted posts. I didn't bother to go to the links or trudge through the entire case to see what was said. *IF* this is true, however, I will say that is a not good thing to delete part of the 'official record' and that is something that doesn't sit very well with me. Also, that Tsurara Shirayuki's post on here was also suppressed (I saw what it said before suppression) doesn't look very good either.

As I said above: "the trial became null since 2 of the 3 Juries where under revision... (not removed!), so no more posts were allowed."

Capitalist Producers posted once and the remaining jury posted twice after the trial become null, so, those post were no part of the official record since the trial was over. As consequence, those posts were erased and the topic closed... for the same reason, our chance to present our case vanished. So, you can now understand his hypocrisy: He claims one of his post was suppressed... when we were unable to present our whole case for the same reason: the trial was over.

Again, the official record is from the moment the trial started until the trial become null (as soon as a vote of No-Confidence was lunched)... that record is in our forum.

From the other hand, Tsurara Shirayuki's post as Capitalist Producers telegram may be addressed to this situation, but they are nothing else that propaganda against this region.

Big freedom

So noted. If a thread gets past about 2 pages, I don't try to play catch-up, all I had to go on was the tg I received. As always, there are two sides to an argument.

New Constitutionīs changes

The following is a draft we have been working regarding to how should we behave regarding ejection or bans.

1) Warning: A warning has no consequence. It is just an advice from the Founder / WAD / Vocals to calm things down. Warnings cannot be put under trial.
2) Any nation has the right to exchange telegrams regarding a warning he received, this is, to be heard.
3) No reprimand, ejection or ban can be impose to any nation without a previous warning (except in critical situations, like invasions).
4) Any nation has the right to present a complain to the Advocate General if the receives a reprimand, ejection or ban (except in critical situations, like invasions).

If he does it:
5) Then 4 resident nations will be elected (by regional pool) and will constitute the Jury along with the Founder or the CEO (one of both, obviously, not the one that perform the reprimand/eject/ban).
6) The affected nation will present his case: One post in our outside forum with all the evidence he has. This guarantee his defense.
7) The nation who perform the reprimand/eject/ban will present his statement (in the same way). This guarantee that other side will also be heard (as Oobleck said above)
8) Individually, the Vocals (except UNDelegate) will present their statement (in the same way). This guarantee an experience voice from ex-WA Delegates. This step will be avoid if the nation that
9) The Advocate General will present his statement (in the same way). This guarantee a neutral point of view.
10) The affected nation will have a closing argument (in the same way). This guarantee the chance to present a final evidence at the end of the trial.

Finally,
11) The Jury will decide if the reprimand, ejection or ban was fair or not:
- Votes will be public
- The 4 elected nations will vote and the result will be decided by simple majority (4-0 / 3-1). No abstain is allowed.
- In case of a tie (2-2), then the fifth member of the jury (Founder or the CEO) will untie. Otherwise, he will not be allowed to vote.
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The spirit of the above procedure is to have a FAIR but also short trial. If you look at it, that may take about 8 (long) posts at most.

I just got a telegram, prior to write this, suggesting that a maximum of 3 warnings should be allowed...
Ideas are welcome.

Big freedom

I'm not going to waste cash on telegramining the region every day, even though I am happy to talk to all of you. Let's move on and have a fun RMB that can talk about politics, music, economics, entertainment, etc. All without resorting to being an asshole if we disagree with each other. Also if you want to go to Producer's region please go, he may put on a polite face for the next week or so, but if someone goes there and disagrees with him eventually he will attack them. We're happy to have everyone here. Capitalist Paradise is the best region in game for the advocacy of strong Capitalist and free market policies, I am happy to be with all all of you.

Big freedom

And you and I can talk about the next F1 Grand Prix... the very best: Spa-Francorchamps !!!

The-CID wrote:And you and I can talk about the next F1 Grand Prix... the very best: Spa-Francorchamps !!!

Funny, I just got the Grand Prix Dilemma for the first time on here just now.

The-CID wrote:And you and I can talk about the next F1 Grand Prix... the very best: Spa-Francorchamps !!!

With the sun out all weekend. All though it didn't rain last year for Sunday, and what most people don't realize is Spa is literally in the middle of the Ardennes Forest. So with no rain you should have seen the size of the Wasps.

So, I'm right in assuming that the omly reason posts are suppressed is to avoid breaking the NS rules?

The securities and exchange commission

Metacrisis wrote:So, I'm right in assuming that the omly reason posts are suppressed is to avoid breaking the NS rules?

That used to be the case, but recently the founder has been suppressing a lot of posts which do not violate NS site rules.

The united oman

The-CID wrote:- Finally, as usual, the Constitution will be based in the previous one, all the current amends will be introduced in the new Constitution, all the current duties will be maintain, all clarifications (as respectful posting clause procedure) will be made and the procedure for the Judicial Branch will be standardized.

I know this is old, buuuut I just wanted to clarify. Current ministry positions such as say my position as Minister of Foreign Affairs are active or are we holding a new election for new people to step in?

Rockefeller astor ford rothschild xvii

Metacrisis wrote:So, I'm right in assuming that the omly reason posts are suppressed is to avoid breaking the NS rules?

No. There are no "rules" for post suppression. Posts can be suppressed for any reason by regional officers. When posts break NS rules, it is often the mods that suppress them.

The securities and exchange commission wrote:That used to be the case, but recently the founder has been suppressing a lot of posts which do not violate NS site rules.

Lots? Only 3: one personal aggression to me, one trash talk to our region and one spam from a Rejected Realmīs nation.

Metacrisis wrote:So, I'm right in assuming that the omly reason posts are suppressed is to avoid breaking the NS rules?

Rockefeller astor ford rothschild xvii wrote:No. There are no "rules" for post suppression. Posts can be suppressed for any reason by regional officers. When posts break NS rules, it is often the mods that suppress them.

Both of you are correct: Per game basis, posts can be suppressed for any reason by regional officers... BUT, we try to only suppress those post that break NS rules before the Mods can suppress them. Also, posts like advertising, direct insults, etc are suppressed for obvious reasons.

Big freedom

The united oman wrote:I know this is old, buuuut I just wanted to clarify. Current ministry positions such as say my position as Minister of Foreign Affairs are active or are we holding a new election for new people to step in?

Jesus! If our Minister of of Foreign Affairs does not know if he is active, we are in trouble!
Just look at our WFE: The Constitution is up, Ministers are active, Vocals are active, POL is there... everything is exactly the same as it has been for the last 3 years. Two Justice members left our region, so those 2 positions are vacant. That already happened before, when Panagedom CTE and we had no Alternative Justice Member.

The united oman and Big freedom

What sorts of robes do we get if we become a Chief Justice?

Ohioan territory and Big freedom

Take note that we will be retiring our IRC channel for the much improved discord server: https://discord.gg/dW66FHF

Many regions around nationstates have been making this transition and there is little doubt as to why. Discord allows members to have personal custom accounts, multiple text channels for the easy organization of subject matter and also comes with voice channels. The server records the history of all the text channels so you will never miss a conversation when being away. On the administration end, powers can be easily divided and given to many users. This is all stuff that IRC lacks the ability to do. Drasnia and I have been discord for months now. We decided to make a server for CP.

Please come by and check it out and if you have ideas for server such as a channel, let Drasnia or me know.

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