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Orlogtun wrote:This all works in a perfect world where nobody's political interests outweigh brute financial gain.

They are one and the same for all parties involved at all times without exception. You find me one example where you think this was not the case, and I can show how their incentives were aligned to act the way they did.

Orlogtun wrote:Do you know anyone in the oil or shipping business? How about the insurance business? You won't find a lot of support for removing patrols from the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, or the South China Sea.

Why of course. Everyone has the incentive to boot out competition so they can sell at higher prices and make everyone else poorer. Your example proves my point, I am not sure what you were trying to prove there.

Orlogtun wrote:And not only because of the Iranians and the Red Chinese. A substantial amount of the allies' work in those areas is against pirates and freebooters.

Yet another example of the US government's incompetence. Those pirates are destroying middle eastern resources. So let me get this straight.

You want to spend your tax money, to prevent pirates from destroying your enemy's resources? Way to think that one through XD

Orlogtun wrote:What exactly is a "parasite Nation"? Can you guide me to any relevant academic literature on this topic?

A nation that leeches off the resources of another.

10% of the Philippines GDP is them receiving foreign aid. Same applies for half of Africa. Textbook welfare with textbook results.

Academic literature: Dr. Dambisa Moyo

I had a detailed reply that NationStates ate before I could save and post. Needless to say, I disagree on most of your points but one in specific I will reiterate is that your claims about The Philippines is factual incorrect:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/philippines/gdp

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ODAT.GN.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2013+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

The former sets The Philippines GDP at $250 Bn USD. Your claim is that their ODA received is therefore $25 Bn in 2013. The WB link puts The Philippines at 0.1% received ODA and that's just one year. It's actually been declining since the turn of the century.

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Moyo doesn't use the term "parasitic", either. Her thesis is similar to that of Tom Flanagan and others from the Calgary School. The question remains whether direct investment is truly more benign than ODA. Most "basket case" countries have unstable regimes and/or a lack of broadly accessible political and judicial institutions.

Orlogtun wrote:Needless to say, I disagree on most of your points

Great. Prove me wrong...

Orlogtun wrote:I will reiterate is that your claims about The Philippines is factual incorrect:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/philippines/gdp

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ODAT.GN.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2013+wbapi_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc

The former sets The Philippines GDP at $250 Bn USD. Your claim is that their ODA received is therefore $25 Bn in 2013. The WB link puts The Philippines at 0.1% received ODA and that's just one year. It's actually been declining since the turn of the century.

Oh geez. I can't believe I still have to explain this. Ok, so you know how I said published stats are chosen for a reason? They are cherry-picked to reflect the message they want to portray. Which is why you should know how stats are compiled so you can be unbiased.

When I say parasitic leeching, I mean that A takes resources from B. Whether you call it foreign aid or welfare or wtv other term, A takes from B.

With that in mind, your stats consider "foreign aid" as only monies received from world organizations. They don't account for all the money sent from philippino relatives abroad, back to the philippines (the money is given not traded). Regardless of what you call it, those transfer payments are 10% of the GDP.

Orlogtun wrote:Moyo doesn't use the term "parasitic", either.

She doesn't have to. The definition of a parasite is not dependent on her.

Orlogtun wrote:The question remains whether direct investment is truly more benign than ODA.

Meh... that's a separate issue. Don't feel like going into this until the first debate is solved but ultimately it isn't a matter of investment vs ODA, it is a matter of having skills.

Cybernomix wrote:it is a matter of having skills.

... Am I the only one picturing The Situation say this? XD

You guys are great entertainment.

Orlogtun wrote:This all works in a perfect world where nobody's political interests outweigh brute financial gain. The problem is that we live in the real world where this doesn't always work. Do you know anyone in the oil or shipping business? How about the insurance business? You won't find a lot of support for removing patrols from the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Sea, or the South China Sea. And not only because of the Iranians and the Red Chinese. A substantial amount of the allies' work in those areas is against pirates and freebooters.

What exactly is a "parasite Nation"? Can you guide me to any relevant academic literature on this topic?

Needless to say, no US president or Congress will ever assent to such policies.

Kaputer: Rand Paul courts all kinds of people in his "big tent". Libertarians are typically pro-choice. Paul is not because he needs the Moral Majority to secure the base. His fake filibuster yesterday was a transparent and unnecessary ploy. Why not instead denounce those in his own party who voted for the various NSA procedures?

I know Sen. Paul, I have worked with him and his staff and I can tell you you are just wrong.
As to his pro life stand it's not a political motivation it is a moral conviction.

Cybernomix wrote:Oh geez. I can't believe I still have to explain this. Ok, so you know how I said published stats are chosen for a reason? They are cherry-picked to reflect the message they want to portray. Which is why you should know how stats are compiled so you can be unbiased.

When I say parasitic leeching, I mean that A takes resources from B. Whether you call it foreign aid or welfare or wtv other term, A takes from B.

With that in mind, your stats consider "foreign aid" as only monies received from world organizations. They don't account for all the money sent from philippino relatives abroad, back to the philippines (the money is given not traded). Regardless of what you call it, those transfer payments are 10% of the GDP.

In Dead Aid, your own cited academic expert, Dambisa Moyo, says exactly the opposite about money received from ex-patriots working abroad. She calls them "remittances" and not "transfer payments". Her reasoning is impeccable. Unlike ODA, remittances are voluntary, direct, widely distributed, and difficult to routinely divert from their intended destination. ODA, on the other hand, comprises up to 75% of some African nations' incoming capital. Moyo specifically and at length writes about alternatives to this "dead aid" and remittances are featured prominently as part of any potential solution.

This is the second time, on the same subject, that you have been shown to be factually incorrect.

I meant to write "expatriates" and not "ex-patriots", incidentally. The rest of the post is blemishless.

Kaputer wrote:I know Sen. Paul, I have worked with him and his staff and I can tell you you are just wrong.
As to his pro life stand it's not a political motivation it is a moral conviction.

Paul's positions have dramatically changed since you worked with him and his staff: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rand-pauls-delicate-balancing-act/2015/04/05/6e38af6c-d946-11e4-8103-fa84725dbf9d_story.html

As an example, there's this: “The First Amendment says keep government out of religion. It doesn’t say keep religion out of government,” he told a group of pastors at a private breakfast on Capitol Hill on March 26.

That's pretty tough to reconcile to his prior convictions.

Orlogtun wrote:In Dead Aid, your own cited academic expert, Dambisa Moyo, says exactly the opposite about money received from ex-patriots working abroad. She calls them "remittances" and not "transfer payments".

Hahahahaha

And this is with absolute certainty that I can conclude you have absolutely 0 competence to even debate this subject.

Remittances are transfer payments XD

*apply cold water*

Orlogtun wrote:IHer reasoning is impeccable. Unlike ODA, remittances are voluntary, direct, widely distributed, and difficult to routinely divert from their intended destination.

Correct. This doesn't change that they are parasites... not sure what your point is here.

Orlogtun wrote:This is the second time, on the same subject, that you have been shown to be factually incorrect.

It is one thing to claim I am incorrect, it is another thing to actually disprove me. I have invalidated every one of your points so far.

Got to be honest with you. I do not get a warm and fuzzy feeling from Rand Paul. He and I agree on a lot of things, but he's said some really off the wall things that make be question his grasp on reality.

Capitalist Producers wrote:he's said some really off the wall things that make be question his grasp on reality.

You should question how many Wieners he has been eating, lately. It tends to be a necessary thing to gargle on when you want to win the race.

They need all the protein they can get!

Speaking of protein, did you see the Mitt Romney fight?? Cringeworthy is the only word to describe it.

[quote=cybernomix;11793564Speaking of protein, did you see the Mitt Romney fight?? Cringeworthy is the only word to describe it.[/quote]
Missed it. But it is for a good cause.

Capitalist Producers wrote:[quote=cybernomix;11793564Speaking of protein, did you see the Mitt Romney fight?? Cringeworthy is the only word to describe it.
Missed it. But it is for a good cause.

i see your bbcode has improved XDXD

Post by Cybernomix suppressed by Acario.

Everyone, it is official.

The Rejected Realms will be playing Contract Wars against our region on June 9th.

If Acario could kindly remind the region via telegram next week, it would be much appreciated.

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For those of you who missed it, Contract Wars is a free 3D browser-based MMO FPS game on Kongregate.

The goal is to get hundreds of players on a single map. We haven't decided on a mode, but I think team vs team would be best.

**The ambassador slaps a CD in the player. He cranks it up. With a flourish he opens a beer, sits back in his chair, leans back, takes a long pull and then presses play...**

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
We're so glad you could attend
Come inside! Come inside!
There behind a glass is a real blade of grass
be careful as you pass.
Move along! Move along!

Man, i need to be more active here.. But can anyone give me a summery of whats going on?

The Clampdown of Kaputer rises in opposition to the current proposal in front of the General Assembly.
First no proofreading occurred to correct simple spelling mistakes.

Secondly while Kaputer has lax gun laws and an incredibly low crime rate, we do not believe this solution works everywhere. It is not the place of the WA to dictate policies like this to member nations.

[Adjusts Universal Translator to make sure the terms of negotiation haven't changed in the Alien's language, then checks for underhanded Business doublespeak in this ongoing conversation about "politics."]
Silly Hoomans, whatever makes the most profit is the answer, Acquisition rules 13, 18, 34,35, 41, 202, and 242! (http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/)

Bruntilia

**The ambassador reads the latest edict from the WA...**

So, they repealed the Sexual Privacy Act? It's about time we got sex out of the bedroom and right there on the front lawn where it belongs.

Czeckolutania and Amazing Family Jewels

Kaputer wrote:The Clampdown of Kaputer rises in opposition to the current proposal in front of the General Assembly.
First no proofreading occurred to correct simple spelling mistakes.

Secondly while Kaputer has lax gun laws and an incredibly low crime rate, we do not believe this solution works everywhere. It is not the place of the WA to dictate policies like this to member nations.

I voted for it simply because it will annoy most of the WA if it passes.

Czeckolutania and The united oman

Capitalist Producers wrote:It's about time we got sex out of the bedroom and right there on the front lawn where it belongs.

Not a bad thing if those involved are pretty people. Heck I'd fly down to Miami just to watch Abella Anderson.

Scorpions Army wrote:Man, i need to be more active here.. But can anyone give me a summery of whats going on?

We are a collection of proud nations reinforcing one another's capitalist hallucinations.

Laissez-Faire Economics wrote:We are a collection of proud nations reinforcing one another's capitalist hallucinations.

Clearly, a couple of people are deluded here. (At this writing, one person liked the above quoted post.)

But since you brought it up, tell me something. If your dream comes true and you get your system where no one can fail, everyone gets fed and housed and there is no incentive to do anything at all, let alone do well, why would anyone work? And who is going to pay for all those services if all those people choose to settle for the life of leisure on the taxpayer's dime?

Oh, yeah. Laissez-Faire Economics called that one for sure.

Rednekylvania

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