Argantia RMB

WA Delegate: The Imperial Celestial State of Sergai (elected 129 days ago)

Founder: The Jolly Nice Kingdom of Waspeaters

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Welcome to Argantia! Even though there's currently a password!

Argantia stands somewhere in the north of the world. It has been inhabited for quite a long time and hopefully will remain so for a while longer. Unfortunately, the inhabitants of this fair land have rarely seen eye-to-eye and so Argantia has seen rather a lot of suspicion. There is a solution, thankfully; a new, unifying force - the Argantian Continental Council - has been set up and will bridge age old prejudices and forge a lasting peace. That's the plan, at least, but who knows if things will work out nicely?

Also, we've been the 666th region on NS, making us a sort of holiday home for Satan or something.


Embassies: New Dinosaurtopia, The Remnants of Omega, The Illuminati, and The Omega Alliance.

Tags: Modern Tech, Democratic, Password, Liberal, Medium, and Monarchist.

Regional Power: Moderate

Argantia contains 22 nations, the 572nd most in the world.

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Today's World Census Report

The Least Corrupt Governments in Argantia

World Census officials visited a range of government departments and recorded how frequently bribes were required to complete simple administrative requests.

As a region, Argantia is ranked 13,655th in the world for Least Corrupt Governments.

#NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Woodland Benevolence of RadioactiveUuuWA MemberScandinavian Liberal Paradise“Stylus ferro fortior”
2.The Jolly Nice Kingdom of WaspeatersWA MemberDemocratic Socialists“It's rather nice here, isn't it?”
3.The Unified Admiralties of The Oceanic EmpireDemocratic Socialists“None can stop the Oceanic!”
4.The United Socialist States of RaptidaWA MemberLiberal Democratic Socialists“Domus pudici hereditabit terram”
5.The Community of Slippers101New York Times Democracy“You're 'ere cause you're 'ere”
6.The Holy Empire of UnyunopiaInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Potato Power!”
7.The Holy Empire of Miranda HWA MemberLiberal Democratic Socialists“Bear with, bear with”
8.The United Kingdom of Professor LaytonsDemocratic Socialists“Every puzzle has an answer”
9.The Rogue Nation of DrothorInoffensive Centrist Democracy“In Unitate Veritate”
10.The Zombie Infested Wasteland of Quarantined InfectionDemocratic Socialists“Its the Zombie Apocalypse, bring your friends”
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The Woodland Benevolence of RadioactiveUuu wrote:I used a representative system for Systems 1 and 2 as if everybody has a veto, it can't really be too powerful, since then literally nothing will get done as if just one person slightly finds a piece of legislature "not to their taste", they can just completely stop it, which would be quite bad, as there are little-to-no topics we all exactly agree on.

For veto powers which simply postpone, this is supposed to be the more "diplomatic" approach to vetoes, as if the veto-er cannot persuade people to vote for their cause or whatnot, the legislature will pass through as normal. It is more a pause to processions, allowing people to think about their votes.

As for the big-4 overridable vetoes, multiple vetoes don't increase the amount to override. As such, one veto would be the equivalent of all 4 vetoes.

The representatives are, themselves, quite diverse in their ideologies and beliefs, and I'm not sure if any Nation would not be able to approach at least one of them for their support.

Of course, remember, if anyone would like to suggest any veto systems of their own, they are more than welcome.


I just think using a veto should signal that action needs to be discussed a bit more, if nothing comes of it the legislation will or wont pass, if nations are trying to make a case with use of their veto instead of voting against or for it then there should be the opportunity to change what the legislation says. After all if legislation is coming in which a nation or nations feel needs more discussion or no action until further developments then they should be using their veto to initiate amendments, not throwing in protest votes or using the veto to just postpone it.

The Holy Empire of Miranda H wrote:I just think using a veto should signal that action needs to be discussed a bit more, if nothing comes of it the legislation will or wont pass, if nations are trying to make a case with use of their veto instead of voting against or for it then there should be the opportunity to change what the legislation says. After all if legislation is coming in which a nation or nations feel needs more discussion or no action until further developments then they should be using their veto to initiate amendments, not throwing in protest votes or using the veto to just postpone it.

Well, people would still vote against stuff or argue against it if we had vetoes, provided that they are pretty much OK with the topic of that law. The point of a veto is that if there is an idea to which you are fundamentally opposed, and which you really don't want to pass, you can just block it. That seems fairer than having the majority force its views upon the minority, which could happen if voting were not unanimous.

I have been given another suggestion by James, of all people, and it's quite in depth and different from any other Systems suggested so far.

And remember that all details and percentages on the Systems are subject to change dependent of how they go.

Also, with so many systems coming up and only 9 people, I'm thinking an AV-style vote will be the best, as otherwise we'll be working with very slim percentage differences.

The Woodland Benevolence of RadioactiveUuu wrote:I have been given another suggestion by James, of all people, and it's quite in depth and different from any other Systems suggested so far.

And remember that all details and percentages on the Systems are subject to change dependent of how they go.

Also, with so many systems coming up and only 9 people, I'm thinking an AV-style vote will be the best, as otherwise we'll be working with very slim percentage differences.


Yeah that system sounds good, is there an easier way of remembering it all? I've forgotten how it works already, I only remember that it was good.

Are we ever going to change the regional flag? I think the current one is cool, but I thought that was a placeholder...

The Woodland Benevolence of RadioactiveUuu wrote:I have been given another suggestion by James, of all people, and it's quite in depth and different from any other Systems suggested so far.

And remember that all details and percentages on the Systems are subject to change dependent of how they go.

Also, with so many systems coming up and only 9 people, I'm thinking an AV-style vote will be the best, as otherwise we'll be working with very slim percentage differences.


I like system five. It seems quite fair, and if you are really going to be impartial, then it should work perfectly.

It's the best of those suggested, anyway.

I disagree with system 5. It leads to the majority being able to do whatever it likes (e.g. force people to abide to laws using a majority vote), which is a massively unfair system. There's also the suggestion of a regional armed force - again, this is not a good idea and people should not be able to use force on a neighbour to get it to conform to the norm.

I like system 5 although there are plenty of flaws in the extensive veto processes. Hence the new Hotel Maths (and Mr Amann approved) proposal:

SYSTEM SIX

No vetoes, with an AV (Alternative Vote) system introduced. There are too few of us the create elaborate percentage differences - in the end too many people would end up unfairly represented. Vetoing vetoes and voting on issues with more than two choices would take not only a long time but would leave more people unhappy with the result. A nation could choose not to vote for more than one option or choose to vote or all options, preventing more extreme votes from being cast.

For example, if a new regional flag was proposed and there were three flags in the running, the vote could be split 3/3/3, with no winner and endless amounts of vetoes. An alternative would be a 2/3/4 split with a minority flag winning, even though 5 people were against it.

An alternative vote system with more choice and stronger representation for all nations is definitely the most healthy option, and definitely fulfils the argument that "peace has a much better chance of being maintained" from the dispatch.

(Also, how on Earth are we gonna choose which bloody system to use???)

Well, let's see:

1. Majority rules is democracy, really - the majority get what they want. Though I see what you mean about forcing people into things they don't want to do, and it does seem a bit much. I'll add another System but without the force.

2. The 'Regional Armed Forces' thing is just a suggestion, and isn't intrinsically part of System 5, I just decided I would put all of the Sergian Telegram there so people could see. But I'll remove it for now.

3. While AV is most likely the system we'll be using, it isn't really a veto system. But I did forget to add a choice for 'No vetoes', so I'll add that in too.

4. We'll probably use AV to vote for the veto system (probably everyone gives votes to me, I'll tell final results, and if you all want I can present the votes as well, if you don't trust me enough :( )

5. We may end up with a lot of systems to vote for, so I may remove some from the vote if no one shows interest in them leading up to it. For example, Systems 2 and 4 currently aren't really being mentioned, so I'm thinking to remove them?

6. I made an updatedv9-star Argantia flag, so I'll send it to Tom.

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