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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html?_r=0
I'm unsure about this being evidence or not that the pressure put by unrest can achieve something.
More like, oh look, rule of law.
Frankly, the unrest probably helped keep things obvious.
Well, yes, rule of law still ends up solving things, but you could argue that the unrest sent a message to act. It's that sort of mechanism that also happened in 20th century Europe (and even before). When faced with a rioting people, the higher-ups either made concessions and reforms, or suffocated things in blood. The first happened.
Well, the major difference between something like the Baltimore uprising and similar events back in, oh, say, New England in the 1770s, is that Baltimore isn't about taxes, it's about murder.
They were/are both about the application of law pertaining socal issues.
How extreme is discrimination in the US towards black people? I don't trust much on the news since it's all biased as hell.
Define "discrimination".
The letter of the law is about as unbiased as it can be. Effectively, however, our system is broken.
Segregation is illegal, yet many parts of the country, typically cities in the northeast, are still more or less separated. (Businesses not so much, but homing situations.) You cannot refuse to hire someone on basis of color, yet certain fields remain noticeably white, especially - as is the concern recently - law enforcement. We cannot restrict people's right to vote based on monetary or racial status, but on a local level there are many - especially in Republican states, due to their poor reputation amongst the black community - where there are sneakier methods of manipulating the vote; gerrymandering, time restrictions, voter fraud regulations, etc. And the rich are still overwhelmingly white while the poor are still overwhelmingly minority, because ours is not a system created with much ability to move up.
Yes, if the stars align and you're blessed by a magical wood nymph, a black man (or any other kind of minority) can become just as successful as the richest, most privileged white man. But just because something is possible doesn't mean it's probable.
It's not that our community (legally) shuns blacks, but that blacks have not yet been integrated. And because of that, there is often violence between the groups, which enflames everyone because everyone is defensive. And the core conceit here is that there is a "white" and a "black" community; much less so in certain areas where everyone is at an equal plane, but it's there.
The above applies also to other minorities as well, to varying degrees.
And, to be fair, to a large extent integration hasn't proceeded is because of attitudes on both sides of the aisle. If you compare other minorities, like Asian-Americans or the Jewish community, with African-Americans- well, the contrast is stark. Asian-Americans were discriminated against at the same time as slavery, working as wage-slaves, and yet Asian-American families now have a higher median income than whites. The same with Jews- they saw systematic discrimination on a societal level when they arrived en masse from the Pale, but today 46% of families have an income above 100k. Modern 'black' culture is about being separate from the rest of society, embracing the hood and all the trappings of that ideal; it really isn't a wonder that racial animosity is still high.
I'd hesitate to say "embracing the hood", because the sounds stupid as hell, but yeah.
It isn't just a product of white racism - that's a factor, don't be mistaken - but also of black resentment. It's understandable, but net harmful.
There isn't a personal divide between peoples in my experience, but when you look on a grand scale, relations are worsening and people are noticing. Angrily.
Not my words :P Some of my mates get chuffed when they go home because they've gone white and went to uni.
Eh. I understand black resentment- but really, resentment doesn't get anyone anywhere. I couldn't tell you why African-American society embraces the oppression narrative so tightly, because every minority has been oppressed in the U.S. at some point. But it certainly hasn't helped stop society stacking the cards.
A wise Redditor once said
the white community needs to face a bunch of hard truths.
1) by choosing wolfs of wall street as role models, children are simply going to repeat those negative actions. you see kids become bankers because their father did it, and his father did it, and his older friends did it, and now he sees that as the life for him.
2) there's no such thing as 'acting WASP', because east asians, south asians, nigerians, cubans, and middle easterners come to this country and are largely systematically prevented from ever joining that same circle of white people who succeed in these careers. going to college and getting a job in a predominantly WASP area is not 'acting white', because it's sure as sh*t not going to happen.
3) the inferiority complex of WASP culture is precisely the reason why many people are afraid of date-rapey dartmouth bros. just because you're in a frat doesn't mean you have to p*ss drunk all the time. you don't have anything to prove as a person just because you're following daddy's footsteps, because he's already proved everything for you.
4) speaking of dreams, young WASP males seem to pick the same dreams. you either want to be a billionaire financier or an Fortune 500 CEO. if you are not in the 1% of complete dumb luck and social capital in these things, you will simply not make it. just because you don't see many WASP doctors, astronauts, engineers or programmers doesn't mean you can't be one, but of course, no f*cking way are you getting the summer home in CT or the upper west side apartment.
5) the whole 'if you got it, flaunt it' aspect of WASP culture is holding you back. if you make $20,000 a year, of course you can look like you make $120,000 a year -- what the f*ck do you think daddy's credit card is for? you absolutely need the boat shoes, you need the brooks brothers suit, and of course you need the h*okers and blow for your buddy's 21st b-day. don't f*cking both to save some god damn money for the future: daddy's got you covered.
6) parents: teach your kids a little something about sex and stop congratulating your sons for knocking up the secretary. they are not 'blessed', they f*cked up -- seriously, do they not understand how child support works? set a f*ckin example and be sure to get her tubes tied first.
7) parents again: TAKE SOME INITIATIVE IN YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION. there are no excuses for not stepping up to the f*ckin plate with this. and i don't just mean in boarding school, i mean in general. sex education (as before), life education, how much money can buy, how to let the money manager take care of... even if you don't do it yourself, at least make jeeves do it.
source: wealthy straight white dude who has gotten everything he's ever asked for. it's awesome! #patriarchy4lyfe #$$$$$
tl;dr the white community as a whole needs a change from within.
Because slavery was some bullsh*t and Reconstruction era backlash against the freedmen was strong.
Since it's bled into the daily culture, not just for blacks but also whites. Perhaps white people didn't oppress blacks more, but it was the most publicly commented-on and thus the one which has left the most lasting rage. Meanwhile, whites assume simply that racism was canceled or some sh*t, and thus take umbrage to the suggestion that maybe things aren't so simple.
Agreed.
Sure, slavery was some bullsh*t. Reconstruction, also some bullsh*t. At the very same time, Chinese were actually barred from immigrating to the US until 1943 after discrimination got that hot and heavy in the 1880s. They lived in ghettos too, which today are quaintly called Chinatowns. They experienced lynching and massacres, as well as bias in the justice system. They were denied citizenship, again until 1943. When Chinese and Japanese immigrated to the south, they were discriminated against just like the African-Americans of the time under things like Plessy v Ferguson and separate but equal.
Now, as I said earlier, Asian-Americans are on a whole better off than whites.
I'm not arguing that racism doesn't exist, because those blinders. But there are a lot of people that could have beaten their breasts and raged against the system keeping them down- and those that chose not to are better off today.
Do I think African-Americans have cause to be angry? Sure. Racial segregation still goes on, and discrimination. But constantly drawing a dichotomy between us and them and dragging up historical facts to demand more government something something isn't the way to fight that. You can't build an equal society on hatred, guilt, and an identity bound up in animosity towards everybody else- and, arguably, those are key features of the current black narrative.
And I'm not disagreeing with you, but what you need to understand is that the cultural circumstances are completely different.
No one looks upon these acts from the throne of an omniscient and declares themselves somehow more mistreated. People are born into a struggle, and all they see is why they fight. There's frustration, there's anger, because they have no reason to suspect there's another way.
You're assuming that black community should just look at others and, what, let it go? There is a fight because there is a fight. That's how conflict works, that's how it has always worked. There is no logic, there can only be peacemaking.
That's not fair at all. There's a big difference between a stagnant, settled black community and the constantly in-flux Asian communities. Asian communities are in constant liquidity as more people come over. There's no reliable standard when there is no consistent trend.
And also remember, like I said, that blacks had many legal and societal restrictions preventing them from integrating until relatively recently. I don't know if similar restrictions were in place against other communities, but it certainly wasn't so hotly-contested and certainly not on the same scale, at least in the public eye. And perception is everything.
I don't disagree. But it's not just blacks that do that, it's the entire country. You can't pretend otherwise.
I challenge that as the core of the black identity, but it's part, especially in recent years.
There are different cultures - heavily-related ones, yes, but different. We only see the parts in our bubble that scare white people - the riots, the gangsters, the whatever the f*ck. But there's too much of a strong cultural identity, especially outside of the suburbs (which are cultural voids), to pretend we can just have everyone shake hands and be the same now. Even when there is peace, there will be a difference. It is a product of society, of culture, and one which is pointless to fight.
http://www.theonion.com/article/delusional-man-turning-off-laptop-like-hes-done-wi-38503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rnFlQAvk8U
It's a damn good day to be a white dude.
Life's pretty great.
It bothers me.
Reminds me of the Rucka Rucka Ali song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsN-G6W4d9A
How come he starts off talking about all white people, before frothing from the mouth about only rich jackasses and Leonardo DiCaprio?
I believe he talks about WASPs in particular.
But then, it's satire.
What exactly does WASP stand for?
White Anglo-Saxon Protestants
Wealthy Americansque Socially-Advantaged Plutocrats.
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