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The golgariclone wrote:

my personal opinion on welfare is:
It is this the case where sometime people do not have the ability, nor the family to take care of themselves. so in the case of people to old to take care of themselves they have to depend on their savings to pay for the expenses of their care. Sometimes that is not enough either due to unfortunate/unexpected events. welfare can help these people to an extent, but welfare is one of the reason the national debt to so high, the government cannot take care of every sick and disabled person. It is a noble ideal, but thats where it stops, an ideal, It is ludicrous to expect a single organization to pay and manage every one who cannot provide for themselves. The government should however, to an extent, care for the elderly and Veterans. these people helped build the foundation that america now rests on.
Now some people argue that Social Security is enough for those people(i don't know who but there must be some:P) i see that the SS is not any solution to retirement(I'm not sure where the exactly goes but SS is close to welfare:P) because the SS was created to help people when the life expectancy was 65 and people were expected to have 6 children
Where i have a problem with welfare is the people who abuse it and the continuing destructive spiral in can have. Ignoring the people who deliberately use it to be lazy and not have to work(because they will always exist in any welfare system). people who can work but instead rely on welfare to pay for their expenses is one of the problems. One example of this is Mr Smith(this example is not 100% of the people who do this). Smith is 65 and has no health problems that prevent him from working. smith is not a wealthy man but figures out he can retire now and live off SS and various welfare programs. i believe people should work and provide for themselves as long as they can(a health issue would be one reason to retire). If one can retire and only rely on his savings and not having to use welfare should be the ideal. The adults today who can't find a job i'm more suspicious of. I find it doubt fun for someone who is dedicated to finding work will fail to find it. And in the case where no one wants to hire that person, is it due to lifestyle choices that person made? for example: not finishing high school, being a drunkard or a drug addict, being just lazy or deciding to start a fight and be uncooperative with everyone. these are not the only reason why someone is not hired or fired, but providing welfare to someone who can't get a job due to reason like these leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I realize that the economy sucks and employers sometimes has to fire or not hire people, but people who are dedicated to finding a job should still be able to find something even if it means working at a mcdonalds or other less desirable job. there are situations where an accident can cause a person to be unable to care for himself and in that extreme case the blurred line gets even more blurred.
The destructive spiral i mentioned earlier goes as follows(as far as i know)
There are legitimate people in need. the government helps them(through welfare) more people need help. government tries to help them but does not have enough money. Government has two options, print more money(leads to inflation) or borrow money(increase debt). lets say the government goes with option 2. Government takes money either through more taxes or through government services(Lets use the SS for this example) people depend on these services need more money(i.e. the old people) result is people depend get less and less money for all the new welfare services. new welfare services to help people. other people feel the effect of this which cause more and more welfare to be created and therefore puts a train on the actual working people of America. this strain is not helped by those who are to lazy to get jobs or those who abuse this welfare.
I know i didn't talk about all the welfare issues there are and i know the welfare services isn't the only reason why we have such a huge debt, but i believe at this point more welfare is only going to hurt more than its going to help. an argument that is used against this stance is often "are you just going to let those people suffer?" and thats not wrong, but the government is going to have to find a different way to do it because putting this country in debt and putting a strain on the people who are working isn't the answer. working to pay off someone's retirement, then rely on someone else paying for your retirement is going to end in fire
well i know this post isn't the "end all be all" and I'm sure they are people who disagree with me on both ends and have valid reason for so but this is what i think on this issue(as confusing and jumbled as it is :P)

As much as this is a very strong argument. I have to say I disagree. Even if welfare puts the nation in debt, even if 99% of people abuse it, I still think it should be used. Imagine you were in debt and have no relatives that can help you. So you work your but off than get an illness so you can no longer work. Then in that position, imagine if you get no help from the government, because some people were abusing the system. It is like back in school, where you teacher keeps back the whole class because a couple people misbehaved. It is unfair, that you have to suffer, because of other people's wrong doing, when it benefits no-one.