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The greater lands of albion wrote:I believe the Cyrodoon definition of necromancy does not need to match that of the international community's for it to be forbidden. You'll find that the practice of necromancy is banned under Article II of the Treaty of Bainbridge, a multilateral agreement with the international community's definitions of necromancy.

The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate would like to respectfully disagree with the assessment of Her Britannic Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, pointing out, firstly, that the Treaty of Bainbridge at no point defines the term "necromancy," nor does it prohibit the use of necromancy, with the only relevant articles prohibiting the State of Cyrod from utilizing the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate would like to inform you that there is a strong taboo against the advocacy of the use of necromancy within the Cyrodoon territories of the Master's Dominate, for what should be obvious reasons, in addition to the legal contract that prohibited the old government of Cyrod from making use of the undead as workers, soldiers, or any other public official, which, while not legally applied to the Master's Dominate, is still treated as though it were, as a courtesy.

The Master's Dominate is a State, and as a State, it is bound by the Treaty of Bainbridge. The Regnator Corporation, too, can be argued to be tied to those same terms, as it is a commercial enterprise based in the Master's Dominate, a State that is bound by international law to follow the said treaty treaty.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate would like to respectfully disagree with the assessment of Her Britannic Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, pointing out, firstly, that the Treaty of Bainbridge at no point defines the term "necromancy," nor does it prohibit the use of necromancy, with the only relevant articles prohibiting the State of Cyrod from utilizing the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials.

Necromancy is a synonym of utilising the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials.

Cyrod wrote:The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate would like to inform you that there is a strong taboo against the advocacy of the use of necromancy within the Cyrodoon territories of the Master's Dominate, for what should be obvious reasons, in addition to the legal contract that prohibited the old government of Cyrod from making use of the undead as workers, soldiers, or any other public official, which, while not legally applied to the Master's Dominate, is still treated as though it were, as a courtesy.

What a waste. I've always allowed all forms of arcane study, although we haven't gotten very far because the thaumatically active population of Despoticania has traditionally been very small. This has been changing in recent years, however. Today, I am aware of at least three openly practicing necromancers in Despoticania Prime alone.

The greater lands of albion wrote:The Master's Dominate is a State, and as a State, it is bound by the Treaty of Bainbridge. The Regnator Corporation, too, can be argued to be tied to those same terms, as it is a commercial enterprise based in the Master's Dominate, a State that is bound by international law to follow the said treaty treaty.

You may rest assured that the Master's Dominate has at no point made use of the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, and has no intention of ever using the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, as per our courteous fulfillment of the terms of the Treaty of Bainbridge.

The greater lands of albion wrote:Necromancy is a synonym of utilising the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials.

The service of providing the shells previously mentioned following the registry of an individual with the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate does not involve the utilization of the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, or in any other respect, for that matter, even by the definition you have provided.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:You may rest assured that the Master's Dominate has at no point made use of the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, and has no intention of ever using the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, as per our courteous fulfillment of the terms of the Treaty of Bainbridge.

We wish to enquire if the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are alive or undead.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:The service of providing the shells previously mentioned following the registry of an individual with the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate does not involve the utilization of the undead as workers, soldiers, or public officials, or in any other respect, for that matter, even by the definition you have provided.

Are these shells not instruments used to store the living essence — the soul and/or consciousness of the deceased?

The greater lands of albion wrote:We wish to enquire if the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are alive or undead.

While the Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate is not personally familiar with the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master, the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate have informed us that the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are living beings.

The greater lands of albion

Despoticania wrote:What a waste. I've always allowed all forms of arcane study, although we haven't gotten very far because the thaumatically active population of Despoticania has traditionally been very small. This has been changing in recent years, however. Today, I am aware of at least three openly practicing necromancers in Despoticania Prime alone.

We are pleased to hear that the practice of these... arts... has done you service.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:While the Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate is not personally familiar with the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master, the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate have informed us that the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are living beings.

What makes them living? If the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master die, and their soul and consciousness is returned to a new shell — an armour, as you have previously put it — then they are surely considered as the undead, and not living creatures.

The greater lands of albion

What makes them alive?*

The greater lands of albion wrote:I believe the Cyrodoon definition of necromancy does not need to match that of the international community's for it to be forbidden. You'll find that the practice of necromancy is banned under Article II of the Treaty of Bainbridge, a multilateral agreement with the international community's definitions of necromancy.

Oh...Um then don't look up the stuff about infested Terrans then. Technically its not Necromancy to make infested Terrans but the principle is still the sameish.

The greater lands of albion wrote:Are these shells not instruments used to store the living essence — the soul and/or consciousness of the deceased?

The medical consul from the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate as informed me that the aforementioned shells are essentially the natural extension of the logic of prosthetic limbs, but the shells themselves do not at any point contain the soul and/or consciousness of the client, except in the cases of the organic shells. The Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate also does not consider the aforementioned clients to be deceased, because at no point are both the default flesh body and the new body nonfunctioning; for this reason, the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate prefers to consider the process something of an emergency transplant operation.

The greater lands of albion

1st zerg hive wrote:Oh...Um then don't look up the stuff about infested Terrans then. Technically its not Necromancy to make infested Terrans but the principle is still the sameish.

OOC: Like I've said, any other country can do it. It's only that Cyrod is banned from it through a treaty they signed over a year ago.

The greater lands of albion wrote:OOC: Like I've said, any other country can do it. It's only that Cyrod is banned from it through a treaty they signed over a year ago.

Oh good because you might be seeing some infested Juche soldiers in the near future...Just abit of warning.

The greater lands of albion wrote:What makes them living? If the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master die, and their soul and consciousness is returned to a new shell — an armour, as you have previously put it — then they are surely considered as the undead, and not living creatures.

The shells of the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are shells in the sense of the shells of crustaceans and mollusks, with the difference being that the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master have manipulable limbs attached to their shells; as gaseous organisms, the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master themselves do not actually cease functioning at the destruction of their shells, although they are of no military value until they have acquired replacements.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:The medical consul from the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate as informed me that the aforementioned shells are essentially the natural extension of the logic of prosthetic limbs, but the shells themselves do not at any point contain the soul and/or consciousness of the client, except in the cases of the organic shells. The Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate also does not consider the aforementioned clients to be deceased, because at no point are both the default flesh body and the new body nonfunctioning; for this reason, the Immisericoric Church of the Master's Dominate prefers to consider the process something of an emergency transplant operation.

If the shells do not contain the soul and consciousness of the wearer, then where is the soul and consciousness of the wearer stored in? If the default flesh body dies, the soul is released and the consciousness destroyed; if the same individual wakes up, instantly, in new shells, then they must have had, logically, transferred their soul to the shells in question, which by definition is necromancy, as the dead aren't allowed to pass on to the afterlife.

The greater lands of albion wrote:If the shells do not contain the soul and consciousness of the wearer, then where is the soul and consciousness of the wearer stored in? If the default flesh body dies, the soul is released and the consciousness destroyed; if the same individual wakes up, instantly, in new shells, then they must have had, logically, transferred their soul to the shells in question, which by definition is necromancy, as the dead aren't allowed to pass on to the afterlife.

It could also count as Reincarnation. Technically they rise into a new body this starting a new life.The body they are transferred into isn't a dead one

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:The shells of the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master are shells in the sense of the shells of crustaceans and mollusks, with the difference being that the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master have manipulable limbs attached to their shells; as gaseous organisms, the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master themselves do not actually cease functioning at the destruction of their shells, although they are of no military value until they have acquired replacements.

Surly, even as gaseous organisms, these creatures would die if they are out of their shells. For after all, if their bodies' integrity is ceases to exist, and the many molecules escape into the atmosphere, they die.

The greater lands of albion wrote:If the shells do not contain the soul and consciousness of the wearer, then where is the soul and consciousness of the wearer stored in? If the default flesh body dies, the soul is released and the consciousness destroyed; if the same individual wakes up, instantly, in new shells, then they must have had, logically, transferred their soul to the shells in question, which by definition is necromancy, as the dead aren't allowed to pass on to the afterlife.

The definition of necromancy only allows for the recollection of spirits from the afterlife, not the prevention of their entering into the afterlife; if it were otherwise, then treating people for injuries would be just as much necromancy as our more advanced methods of medical treatment; as for the souls of the individuals, they are generally kept in what are colloquially known as eternity stones in the most secure sections of Inner Barathrum, in the cases of the inorganic shells, from which their commands are instantly relayed to their shells, and sensational feedback in relayed back from their shells, in much the same manner as the ordinary brain transmits and receives information in the nervous system.

The greater lands of albion wrote:Surly, even as gaseous organisms, these creatures would die if they are out of their shells. For after all, if their bodies' integrity is ceases to exist, and the many molecules escape into the atmosphere, they die.

It is the understanding of the Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate that the Wardogs of the Sarrial Army of the Master can live without their shells, but they find it rather dull to be unable to go about their ordinary duties, and are otherwise generally quite agoraphobic.

The greater lands of albion

OOC: Oh well, another accusation by the British Government failed. Oh well. xD

OOC: The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate, more than almost any other subsection of the Master's Dominate, is quite used to thinking in whatsoever manner it finds most convenient at any given time, and to providing what appear to be well-reasoned explanations for their stances.

The greater lands of albion

Cyrod wrote:OOC: The Diplomatic Service of the Master's Dominate, more than almost any other subsection of the Master's Dominate, is quite used to thinking in whatsoever manner it finds most convenient at any given time, and to providing what appear to be well-reasoned explanations for their stances.

OOC: Aye. And really, there's no way to actually prove anything most times, I suppose.

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