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On the South Carolina Declaration of Independence:
In the US Constitution, it allows for slavery, the 3/5ths compromise. That doesn't mean that it was made to establish slavery. Yes, slavery was a reason for the South to succeed, but among many, many other things. The civil war was fought in the South to be free from a tyrannical federal government, while the North was fighting because of the losss of money that the South brought in. A government, no matter how bad, would not send over half a million people to their death to free slaves.
On The James McPherson quote:
This is one of the weakest arguments you have set forth. I did name many reasons within states rights as to which ones were being infringed. The tariffs and taxes which were destroying southern economy (more than the outlawing of slavery could). The feds were robbing the South of their money. That in reason itself gives the south a right to succeed. And along with that, the South wanted a free market and were culturally divided from the North.
Besides those two refutals, you have yet to address the letter from Jefferson Davis to Britain, and all the other arguments I stated.
See? Thank you!
The results should be moved to the left by 2-3 economic points and 1-2 authoritarian points tbh, its too left wing
Thank you, I am glad you enjoy them, and am happy to share the information I know, and hope to change a few minds in the process
I am in the process of writing the second installment of Longueville's Guide. It will focus more on types of cigars; analyzing different wrappers and fillers, sizes, and what they mean.
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Make no mistake that I despise slavery in all forms, but allow me to correct you a bit.
People often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln's anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves
Roughly a million slaves were brought from Africa to the New World by the Spanish and Portuguese before the first handful reached Virginia. Some 500,000 slaves were brought to the United States (or the colonies it was built from) in the history of the slave trade, which is a mere fraction of the estimated 10 million Africans forced to the Americas during that period. Every New World colony was, in some sense, a slave colony. French Canada, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Cuba, Brazil -- all of them made their start in an economic system built upon slavery based on race. More than 3,000 blacks lived in Rhode Island in 1748, amounting to 9.1 percent of the population; 4,600 blacks were in New Jersey in 1745, 7.5 percent of the population; and nearly 20,000 blacks lived in New York in 1771, 12.2 percent of the population.
Josiah H. Temple, History of Framingham, Massachusetts, Framingham, 1887, p.275.
Joanne Pope Melish, Disowning Slavery: Gradual Emancipation and 'Race' in New England 1780-1860, Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press, 1998, preface, page xiii.
Stanley L. Engerman, Richard Sutch, and Gavin Wright, "Slavery,� in Susan B. Carter, Scott S. Gartner, Michael Haines, Alan Olmstead, Richard Sutch, and Gavin Wright, eds., Historical Statistics of the United States, Millennial Edition. New York: Cambridge University Press, forthcoming 2004.
Let me quote the National Park Service's website:
The Civil War grew out of longstanding tensions and disagreements about American life and politics. For more than 80 years, people in the Northern and Southern states had been debating the issues that ultimately led to war: economic policies and practices, cultural values, the extent and reach of the Federal government, and, most importantly, the role of slavery within American society.
Against the backdrop of these larger issues, individual soldiers had their own reasons for fighting. Their motivations often included a complex mix of personal, social, economic and political values that didn't necessarily match the aims expressed by their respective governments.
http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/causes.htm
The "most importantly" part is heavily debated. What we can say for sure, however, is this: (1) nine-tenths of Southerners didn't own slaves, so they certainly weren't fighting for an institution that harmed their economic interests; and (2) the North did not set out to end slavery as it did not release its own slaves until six months after the war had ended. Slavery, more or less, became the issue in the middle of the war (when Northern morale was low and needed a boost) and was used after the fact to justify the war's beginning.
A significant portion of the Vietnamese people did want communism. They received support from China while the United States supported anti-communist Vietnamese. The United States, however, was terribly inattentive to the needs and desires of rural residents (the majority of the country's population), making use of strategies, such as the Hamlet Program, that antagonized the general population.
Horatius Cocles, Phydios, The Rouge Christmas State, and Pan-celtic nation
Then we must be debaying about different things. I am debating that the South succeeded not just to protext slavery. Correctme if I am wrong but I believe you were debating that the South succeeded solely to protect their practice of slavery.
Regardless, your logic that "one of the reasons for succeeding was slavery" is inherently flawed, bscause I agrew, one reason was for slaves but that was not why they succeeded.
Hi people. I am new here. What's up?
Why was Stellonia sacked?
I said hi im new here whats up!
Phydios, Ovybia, and Pan-celtic nation
Hey Flanduras! How do you do? Welcome.
From what I gleaned for telegram conversation, the senators think that he's mismanaged and/or failed to improve the regional economy since his appointment two months ago.
Hey. What is everybody talking about?
Hey. Hey. Hey. Puhraise JESUS!
This RMB has been fast-moving for the past few weeks. There are often multiple conversations going on at once.
Stellonia used to be a senator and now he's out?
Does that mean we are getting a new election?
Thre has been more then ten Stabings by palastinians to jews in less than 3 days
Welcome to the region, right now there are conversations about the American Civil War, Political View Points, and Others. So sit back relax and make yourself at home :).
He was the Bank Director, actually.
So, no, there will not be another election.
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