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Stevid wrote:MERTS will rarely, if ever, land under contact solely because of what they are. They are just too valuable and expensive to risk losing. Casualties are more likely to be CASEVACd out of contact to a safe LZ for medical aid beyond that of attached field medics. On occasions it has been known for them to arrive under escort.
Soft medic vehicles probably won't be deployed on forward ops (more likely to be a Warrior tbh) but my field experience with ambulances is limited to armoured infantry and field hospital Land Rover ambulances supporting rear echelon units.

I can't speak for the British, but in the US part of our 'planning process' is the establishment of CASEVAC sites where wounded are delivered to and retrieved from. It should be mentioned though that CASEVAC and Medevac are two different things, as the first doesn't use dedicated medical teams to move the wounded. Anyway, the main reason why dedicated medevac units didn't have weapons was the Geneva Convention agreement that they wouldn't (which doesn't exist in the NS-verse) and trading space for weapons/ammo for life saving equipment. Since neither are problems in this universe, I don't see a problem with having armed dedicated medevac. While its kind of a gentleman's agreement that one shouldn't engage medical teams, the reality is that its not always that simple and giving those teams the ability to defend themselves (and not partake in offensive operations) is simply intelligent.

Lamoni and Greater themis

Greater themis

Stevid wrote:MERTS will rarely, if ever, land under contact solely because of what they are. They are just too valuable and expensive to risk losing. Casualties are more likely to be CASEVACd out of contact to a safe LZ for medical aid beyond that of attached field medics. On occasions it has been known for them to arrive under escort.
Soft medic vehicles probably won't be deployed on forward ops (more likely to be a Warrior tbh) but my field experience with ambulances is limited to armoured infantry and field hospital Land Rover ambulances supporting rear echelon units.

They came in under contact more often than you'd think. Hence the 1-2 apache escort when they were called out, and the 5 second casualty handover.

What happens in reality is the casualty will be carried back to the reserve section of the platoon during that attack, then back to the company aid post or CSM, before being scooped up. In a symmetric war a la NS, they would go back to the regimental aid post, then a casualty clearing station, then a dressing station/Role 2, and/or then if necessary to a Role 3/4 hospital. Asymmetric conflicts tend to skip out the bit between company and Role 3, with the trend arguably moving towards an intermediate between Role 3 and 4 as the medical facility in theatre (see Bastion). By skipping the midde bits out, you prioritise human life and limb over pure military necessity. Again, depends on scenario. With the middle bits in play, landrovers wind up being used from the battalion onwards, dependent on terrain and threat. IED heavy areas, urban areas, fights with no front linea, they end up in the rear areas. And in all of this it becomes an academix argument of what you call the rear area, and pedantry ensues!

In practice the land rover
ambulances have been used in forward operations, and after other land rovers started getting blown up (see Iraq) quickly went back to carrying people from airstrip to hospital.

Gosh, Dienstad really does attract the military/militaryish types. That's at least 5 of us now ;)

Lamoni, Stevid, and Wanderjar

Greater themis wrote:

Gosh, Dienstad really does attract the military/militaryish types. That's at least 5 of us now ;)

Indeed it does! Off hand I know of Lyras (ADF), Maccabees (USA), Stevid (RAF), Imbrinium (USA), Castille (USA), and myself (USMC).

Lamoni and Greater themis

I actually am not military.

United world order

lol macabees in the military

Weren't the Maccabees warrior kings?

Wanderjar

I'm not military either, but my dad served on SSBNs for the USN. Machinist's Mate 1st class.

Wanderjar and Greater themis

The Macabees wrote:I actually am not military.

Fair enough, could've sworn a few years ago you said you'd been in the 82nd. Sorry dude!

Dostanuot loj

Wanderjar wrote:Hey man, if my platoon ever has to deal with some of these buggers I'm gonna be the most qualified to provide my expertise in fighting them. I don't want to see good Marines get wasted by them any more than my CO does, right? We're supposed to plan for ALL contingencies! This is a contingency!

I have it on good authority the PPCLI did such an exercise in the late 1990s.

One of those pre-Afganistan, post-KFOR, need something to do things.

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Wanderjar wrote:Indeed it does! Off hand I know of Lyras (ADF), Maccabees (USA), Stevid (RAF), Imbrinium (USA), Castille (USA), and myself (USMC).

Stevid is British Army.

Wanderjar wrote:Fair enough, could've sworn a few years ago you said you'd been in the 82nd. Sorry dude!

I went to infantry school, but sh!t happened.

Wanderjar

I snuck into the PLA once...

Greater themis

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Sorry, wanted to quote but wasn't working. Anyways. Owner of Wolf Arms here and Lamoni chimed in to me if I wanted to have a word so I decided to mention whatever I felt. So...

I wanted to first state that Greater Themis is probably right in terms of people shooting medics. I probably would too tbh, if not for the fact I would be stopping future return of soldiers but also because I see the destruction of all assets a value to me. But I could write a freaking article on how I view many things in NS Diplomacy - if you think people ignoring RL international law is bad try dealing with people who are the opposite. I mean, as some would know, I just got done arguing why someone couldn't god mod trade with me who insisted RL models prove he does. But that's besides the point and im not here to write an article. Second. Greater Themis' probably right on many GE&T storefronts in terms of gear; quality has not been a high point for GE&T for years now I feel, so some of the threads that can actually be legit called a storefront may offer such overarmed products. I have no doubt that the ones trying to pass themselves off as storefronts when they shouldn't be dared called to be do offer such overarmed 'products' - it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Personally I don't think I do such a thing - and that's about half a decade of experience there talking. Usually all my products are made from real life models that I found fancy to - you may even be able to tell what they were as some have told me a few times in the past based on art and/or write-up. The differences are my tastes are added or replace key features in that real life design (stuff like armor, armament, actual physical appearance, and so on). Anyways. I do my best not to underpower or overpower anything I make, in fact I base it off the original item I had in mind to example from. I try to keep a realistic sense to everything with at least 90% of any given product has RL based fact behind it and research in other (though maybe it's different for products not updated yet). So in regards to armored medical vehicles I don't think I have overpowered medical armored vehicles from what I can remember. I think I can name 3 or 4 vehicles that either have a variant for this or can perform this and neither has serious firepower on them by original design. The most you would probably face are either pintle mounted weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers, or they use already present turret from base design that uses the same weapon (probably my HMG). Anything else and it's likely added on by the user, not me. These weapons are not offensive but defensive in nature - I wouldn't charge through enemy territory with medical evacuation vehicles lol. Now when it comes to others I couldn't tell you much since I don't scour the forum that often to remember this kind of vehicle. I don't catalog all things but im sure there are plenty of overarmed medic vehicles out there, you just gotta look (Believe!). Hope I at least answered some questions, and if you need something else asked feel free to shoot (not with a gun please - last time I almost died because of the eye contact).

Greater themis

Common Territories wrote:page=rmb/postid=16980250
Sorry, wanted to quote but wasn't working. Anyways. Owner of Wolf Arms here and Lamoni chimed in to me if I wanted to have a word so I decided to mention whatever I felt. So...
I wanted to first state that Greater Themis is probably right in terms of people shooting medics. I probably would too tbh, if not for the fact I would be stopping future return of soldiers but also because I see the destruction of all assets a value to me. But I could write a freaking article on how I view many things in NS Diplomacy - if you think people ignoring RL international law is bad try dealing with people who are the opposite. I mean, as some would know, I just got done arguing why someone couldn't god mod trade with me who insisted RL models prove he does. But that's besides the point and im not here to write an article. Second. Greater Themis' probably right on many GE&T storefronts in terms of gear; quality has not been a high point for GE&T for years now I feel, so some of the threads that can actually be legit called a storefront may offer such overarmed products. I have no doubt that the ones trying to pass themselves off as storefronts when they shouldn't be dared called to be do offer such overarmed 'products' - it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Personally I don't think I do such a thing - and that's about half a decade of experience there talking. Usually all my products are made from real life models that I found fancy to - you may even be able to tell what they were as some have told me a few times in the past based on art and/or write-up. The differences are my tastes are added or replace key features in that real life design (stuff like armor, armament, actual physical appearance, and so on). Anyways. I do my best not to underpower or overpower anything I make, in fact I base it off the original item I had in mind to example from. I try to keep a realistic sense to everything with at least 90% of any given product has RL based fact behind it and research in other (though maybe it's different for products not updated yet). So in regards to armored medical vehicles I don't think I have overpowered medical armored vehicles from what I can remember. I think I can name 3 or 4 vehicles that either have a variant for this or can perform this and neither has serious firepower on them by original design. The most you would probably face are either pintle mounted weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers, or they use already present turret from base design that uses the same weapon (probably my HMG). Anything else and it's likely added on by the user, not me. These weapons are not offensive but defensive in nature - I wouldn't charge through enemy territory with medical evacuation vehicles lol. Now when it comes to others I couldn't tell you much since I don't scour the forum that often to remember this kind of vehicle. I don't catalog all things but im sure there are plenty of overarmed medic vehicles out there, you just gotta look (Believe!). Hope I at least answered some questions, and if you need something else asked feel free to shoot (not with a gun please - last time I almost died because of the eye contact).

Nice wall of TECT you got there :P

Morrdh wrote:Stevid is British Army.

Foreign Legion

Deamonopolis wrote:Foreign Legion

Polish Paramilitary.

Greater themis

Common Territories wrote:-text-

So TECT, here's your diagnosis. Your symptoms are due to lack of dakka, boolets and dakka and more dakka. The solution is to apply more dakka and dakka. I don't think RoE let alone Geneva Convention apply in NS. So add more dakka and a little bit of water and you will be full of dakka. :D

Greater themis

New Aeyariss wrote:Polish Paramilitary.

Carabineri

Greater themis

Common Territories wrote:page=rmb/postid=16980250
Sorry, wanted to quote but wasn't working. Anyways. Owner of Wolf Arms here and Lamoni chimed in to me if I wanted to have a word so I decided to mention whatever I felt. So...
I wanted to first state that Greater Themis is probably right in terms of people shooting medics. I probably would too tbh, if not for the fact I would be stopping future return of soldiers but also because I see the destruction of all assets a value to me. But I could write a freaking article on how I view many things in NS Diplomacy - if you think people ignoring RL international law is bad try dealing with people who are the opposite. I mean, as some would know, I just got done arguing why someone couldn't god mod trade with me who insisted RL models prove he does. But that's besides the point and im not here to write an article. Second. Greater Themis' probably right on many GE&T storefronts in terms of gear; quality has not been a high point for GE&T for years now I feel, so some of the threads that can actually be legit called a storefront may offer such overarmed products. I have no doubt that the ones trying to pass themselves off as storefronts when they shouldn't be dared called to be do offer such overarmed 'products' - it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Personally I don't think I do such a thing - and that's about half a decade of experience there talking. Usually all my products are made from real life models that I found fancy to - you may even be able to tell what they were as some have told me a few times in the past based on art and/or write-up. The differences are my tastes are added or replace key features in that real life design (stuff like armor, armament, actual physical appearance, and so on). Anyways. I do my best not to underpower or overpower anything I make, in fact I base it off the original item I had in mind to example from. I try to keep a realistic sense to everything with at least 90% of any given product has RL based fact behind it and research in other (though maybe it's different for products not updated yet). So in regards to armored medical vehicles I don't think I have overpowered medical armored vehicles from what I can remember. I think I can name 3 or 4 vehicles that either have a variant for this or can perform this and neither has serious firepower on them by original design. The most you would probably face are either pintle mounted weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers, or they use already present turret from base design that uses the same weapon (probably my HMG). Anything else and it's likely added on by the user, not me. These weapons are not offensive but defensive in nature - I wouldn't charge through enemy territory with medical evacuation vehicles lol. Now when it comes to others I couldn't tell you much since I don't scour the forum that often to remember this kind of vehicle. I don't catalog all things but im sure there are plenty of overarmed medic vehicles out there, you just gotta look (Believe!). Hope I at least answered some questions, and if you need something else asked feel free to shoot (not with a gun please - last time I almost died because of the eye contact).

What do you plan on defending yourself against with a 40mm GMG or a .50 HMG? They be some damn big bears ;) no worries though, I get your line of reasoning. The thing to consider with those is the space you take up with ammo and ammo tins, which could very well internally be taken up with another O2 or entonox bottle, or a med bergan, or more disposables like dressings. GMG ammunition takes up some serious room especially, and stacking it up on the outside isn't always the best solution.

I suppose the lack of humanitarian customs in NS boils down to every war being written between two sides with the best of equipment, CBRN and vast armies, at which point attrition warfare throws all morality out the window in the sake of the military struggle. IRL The hope to reduce human suffering in war has kinda gone out of the window when you have some sides pushing for ridiculous concessions (ie singing kumbaya and holding hands will
defeat Daesh), and other sides who see terror and breach of these customs AS their force multiplier (ie Hamas ticking just about every box whilst somehow managing to get support from the previous group). I do recall a meeting I had with a chap from the ICRC who admitted that Geneva conventions and just about every other treaty would not have been agreed on in this day and age, ditto with many human right treaties.

I'll probably pop by your storefront and have a look at the ambulances, see if I can weigh in ;)

Greater themis wrote:What do you plan on defending yourself against with a 40mm GMG or a .50 HMG? They be some damn big bears ;) no worries though, I get your line of reasoning. The thing to consider with those is the space you take up with ammo and ammo tins, which could very well internally be taken up with another O2 or entonox bottle, or a med bergan, or more disposables like dressings. GMG ammunition takes up some serious room especially, and stacking it up on the outside isn't always the best solution.
I suppose the lack of humanitarian customs in NS boils down to every war being written between two sides with the best of equipment, CBRN and vast armies, at which point attrition warfare throws all morality out the window in the sake of the military struggle. IRL The hope to reduce human suffering in war has kinda gone out of the window when you have some sides pushing for ridiculous concessions (ie singing kumbaya and holding hands will
defeat Daesh), and other sides who see terror and breach of these customs AS their force multiplier (ie Hamas ticking just about every box whilst somehow managing to get support from the previous group). I do recall a meeting I had with a chap from the ICRC who admitted that Geneva conventions and just about every other treaty would not have been agreed on in this day and age, ditto with many human right treaties.
I'll probably pop by your storefront and have a look at the ambulances, see if I can weigh in ;)

Frankly people making ridiculous claims is what annoys me on II most.

I am sick of all those "gay wars" and wars just because one's ideology disagrees with ideology of another. Thus I am trying to enrich II by introducing common geopolitical concepts into it, while retaining the RPs being fun. My new RP, Kastavania, will be an example of those.

Greater themis

Greater vakolicci haven

someone give me an rp. I'm bored.

New Aeyariss wrote:Polish Paramilitary.

Territorial Army

Wanderjar wrote:Indeed it does! Off hand I know of Lyras (ADF), Maccabees (USA), Stevid (RAF), Imbrinium (USA), Castille (USA), and myself (USMC).

If I ever get kicked out of PSHS-WVC, you might want to add: Palmyrion (Philippine Army).

TBH I have plans to join the military, despite all the objection and fear of my parents and relatives, but at least I didn't die a dishonorable death when the Abu Sayyaf execute me using a headshot.

But sh!t happened. I got into PSHS-WVC and was thrust into the world of science, where I would be doomed in for 5 years from graduation in college. Though, after the 5 years of compulsory service has been ended I would or would not join the Philippine Army.

Wow, so many servicemen here?

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