Fifth EmpireBoard

Xozanero wrote:

But in order to be a nationalist you must first be patriotic.

Not necessarily but it's one way to get there, that's for sure.

Other possible routes include but are not limited to: Absorbing nationalism from home and parents, through interest and study in that nation's history and through education.

Atsuria wrote:

Hmm, so you don't have anything against nationalism, but you believe that in contemporary times it's hard to accomplish without a larger empire to help it mold ?
Again, I don't think that's necessary.
With enough good, hard and stubborn work, education and such, Americanism can be purged from European nations allowing them to focus more on their own nationalism.
But then, again even that would be hard. Americanism has penetrated nearly if not all levels of society, at least in the middle Europe, so achieving a fascist state, which one requisite for cleansing Americanism, can be hard to achieve.
Individualism sits in our world like the plaque during Middle-ages, American consumeratism increases this, making us their own little chess pieces.
I agree that Europe is facing hard times, especially in the central parts. However, as per nationalist ideals, I have nothing against refugees coming to our countries as long as they are willing to work, to respect the laws and traditions and that they integrate fully.
I used to have a good friend who was from middle-east, he was a good fellow, very honest and law-abiding, in his homeland he was a highly trained engineer, when he got to Finland he took whatever trash jobs available, in order to do his part.
Then again, why does Finland for example, take in refugees, when in the current bad economic situation (thanks to corrupt EU, politicians and bankers) is bad enough that there are job problems already for native residents ? What's the good of having hard-working immigrants, when they can't get a job. Whether bc there are no jobs available or the employee is racist enough not to give it.
I don't believe that a European empire is necessary, strong national states+strong diplomatic bonds will suffice, but I agree that an empire of sorts could be formed from central European nations in order to better handle the situation.

My problem with nationalism is that it's too limited in scope for our times. Without it being a part of the wider struggle then it's virtually useless. Also nationalist politics tend to be very confrontational in style, veering off into neonazi subculture without the depth and intelligence to think for itself in relation to liberalism and Marxism.

And in relation to mass immigration, I find it difficult to understand how it essentially boils down into purely economic terms. Immigrants = good when they're willing to work. Of course they are. That's why the EU is so keen to get as many as possible in to bolster depleted native European worker stock. Europe has a decreasing birth rate and increasing retiring population. It needs a ready source of cheap and willing labour ready to work uncontracted hours for no pension plan. Bolster up this surplus stock with a benefit system that is still far above the living wage of their countries of origin and everybody's happy.

Unfortunately though, Europe's problems aren't confined to a materialistic level. Migrants bring with them a culture that in most cases is antithetical to that of Europe's. Obviously I realise that migration has always existed however never on this scale and it isn't just singular nation states that are affected. Go to any major Western city; London, Paris, Milan. It's the same cultures that are building their nests in each city.

Brekekk wrote:

Unfortunately though, Europe's problems aren't confined to a materialistic level. Migrants bring with them a culture that in most cases is antithetical to that of Europe's. Obviously I realise that migration has always existed however never on this scale and it isn't just singular nation states that are affected. Go to any major Western city; London, Paris, Milan. It's the same cultures that are building their nests in each city.

Agreed, I really hate seeing migrants fighting over some irrelevant things, whether they're doing it with each others or with natives.

Some migrants keep complaining and attacking women bc they don't wear the mandatory robes of Islam.

If you're willing to migrate, then you must be willing to integrate and merge with the new culture.

Atsuria wrote:

Agreed, I really hate seeing migrants fighting over some irrelevant things, whether they're doing it with each others or with natives.
Some migrants keep complaining and attacking women bc they don't wear the mandatory robes of Islam.
If you're willing to migrate, then you must be willing to integrate and merge with the new culture.

Cultures don't always mix and integrate so easily.

Boyd Rice ~ History Lesson

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Oxg09Xxc42U

Brekekk wrote:

Preliator ~ Rome
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oA4PnGGLkfU

Nice one ! But surely rome was more than just military tactics and bloodshed ?

People always seem to remember rome only from it's efficient expansion, military organization and tactics.
Sure it's true and should be looked upon but rome did have other htings to it too, even though most of it was only copied from older civilizations.

science, medicine and the arts flourished, very sad that as soon as the dark times hit, it all went back a great leap.
We would be so much more advanced already, if the church hadn't tried to hinder progress.

Don't get me wrong, I'm religious but the church made *some" bad things in the past.

Corrupt popes and priests, sexually using women under the pretense of "purging the sins".
Chruch using power through fear controlling citizens lives in a time when what they saw, they though was real.

Hell and purgatory were painted in the church's walls, thus they were real.

more into the subject :http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/

Neu tyrol wrote:

WE'VE A TRAITOR IN OUR MIDST!
Osirisa Has voted FOR "Liberate Arab Leauge"! This is a BLATANT violation of all of our ideals, our efforts and our allies efforts. This is a disgrace, and Osirisa Must reverse their vote or pay for their actions!

I will talk with him, Osirisa will Either correct his actions or face punishment for Treason.

The arab leaque has been taken in by Forces of NE, While we don't as per neutrality policy support them directly, any operation done against antifa is a move towards the better.

Everyone must vote against the liberation.

Xozanero wrote:

Atsuria, why you got to make this pole so hard. My two favorite eras are not in one category! Expansion and Imperialism and early modern age.

oh, I make the pole hard XD ?

Good to know that I can still impress

The Commonwealth of G30rgia has been founded by order of Knig Reinhard I of Neu Tyrol, as G30rgia is the newest expansion of Tyrolean rule overseas. Gott Mitt Uns!

R I P
Gone too soon!

And apparently I missed a very big development in external relations...
It all turned out for the best I suppose?

P0rtvgal wrote:

R I P
Gone too soon!
And apparently I missed a very big development in external relations...
It all turned out for the best I suppose?

As well as could be expected.

In other news:

Ginger Jihadists

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/09/ginger-jihadis-why-redheads-are-attracted-to-radical-islam/

Social "Dysorganization"

http://alternative-right.blogspot.co.ke/2016/06/social-dysorganization-and-malthusian.html?m=1

Oswald Spengler and Cæserism

http://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/archive/2016/05/30/oswald-spengler-the-controversy-of-caesarism.html

The Relevance of the "Old Right"

http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/the-relevance-of-the-old-right/#more-63308