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Educgi wrote:hahahaha 3% of turkey is in europe and even if you count population it's barely 1/8th. stop pretending turkey is part of glorious continent europe, we're an elite club of nations and there is no room for wannabes.

Africa, Asia, and the Americas are just as fine. Different, yes. There is one thing to like Europe, and be Eurocentric, and that is fine. It is another to overlook the beauty in the rest of the world.

The greater german federal republic

Rubyna wrote:Africa, Asia, and the Americas are just as fine. Different, yes. There is one thing to like Europe, and be Eurocentric, and that is fine. It is another to overlook the beauty in the rest of the world.

What about Antarctica then?

The greater german federal republic wrote:What about Antarctica then?

I mean, Penguins are cool.

Educgi wrote:hahahaha 3% of turkey is in europe and even if you count population it's barely 1/8th. stop pretending turkey is part of glorious continent europe, we're an elite club of nations and there is no room for wannabes.

If we're looking at just the land, then we shouldn't count Russia as Europe either. But we do because they have cultural ties with Europe instead of the Asian steppe people.

Turks have stronger cultural ties to Balkans and the Caucasus than the Middle East with the exception of religion. And most Turks aren't extremely religious either. They drink, they smoke, they don't go to mosques (except for the Friday prayer and I don't even think a quarter of the country even attends that) etc. Hell, wearing headscarves were banned in public workplaces and schools until 2010.

I don't think this would even be a subject of debate if Assyrians at the time didn't fail to convert Seljuks to the Nestorian church and you'd all be counting it as another European country.

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Greetings Europe

Rubyna

Rubyna wrote:Africa, Asia, and the Americas are just as fine. Different, yes. There is one thing to like Europe, and be Eurocentric, and that is fine. It is another to overlook the beauty in the rest of the world.

there is no need to involve the beauty of the rest of the world in this. we know there is ha long bay, victoria waterfalls, amazon rainforest, disneyworld, great barrier reef, etc.
but tell that to all these wannabe european countries, like turkey and georgia

Rubyna

Thracia and Crimea wrote:If we're looking at just the land, then we shouldn't count Russia as Europe either. But we do because they have cultural ties with Europe instead of the Asian steppe people.

okay by land russia is 23% which is a lot more than turkey anyways, but look at the population: 76% of russian population lives in the european part. but i have no problem disowning russia as europeans if that satisfies those who get butthurt by those who think the entire nation of turkey is europe.

the rest of your argument is just subjective blabbering about culture and religion which is a debate that will never end and no one can win

Rubyna and Estacia

Educgi wrote:okay by land russia is 23% which is a lot more than turkey anyways, but look at the population: 76% of russian population lives in the european part. but i have no problem disowning russia as europeans if that satisfies those who get butthurt by those who think the entire nation of turkey is europe.
the rest of your argument is just subjective blabbering about culture and religion which is a debate that will never end and no one can win

A Russian living in Vladivostok is still a Russian, therefore a European by the basis of culture. There is little difference between Turks who live in Edirne and Ankara.

And those are not subjective, those facts that I know since I live here. But yes, just because I tell you Turks are closer to Europe, is not going to change Turkey's geographical condition so no-one can ''win''. I think our arguments seperate there. You look at geography while I look at the people. (Though the Bosporus will be gone in a few million years. Then we can argue.)

Educgi wrote:hahahaha 3% of turkey is in europe and even if you count population it's barely 1/8th. stop pretending turkey is part of glorious continent europe, we're an elite club of nations and there is no room for wannabes.

Ooooh... How low.

Turkey is in Europe. They left much in Europe, changed history forever and done much to us Europeans anyway. It is shame to cut them of. Great Britain and France were safe from Turks, so you don't care? What do yo think, that West of Europe is important, and other parts are on border with Asia, barbarians. I wouldn't say so.

You should remove Britain, Iceland, Scandinavia and America (yes, America) from Europe, instead of Turkey and Russia. Differences make our continent great. And you have so much Turkish influence in Macedonia, Albania and Bosnia. When we talk about obvious influence. When we talk about hidden influence, like grammar rules, way of thinking, way of making food and traveling, way of righting and etc., Turkish influence spreads even to Ukraine and Hungary. So they are part of Europe, even thought they came from Asia

Woschia wrote:Ooooh... How low.
Turkey is in Europe. They left much in Europe, changed history forever and done much to us Europeans anyway. It is shame to cut them of. Great Britain and France were safe from Turks, so you don't care? What do yo think, that West of Europe is important, and other parts are on border with Asia, barbarians. I wouldn't say so.
You should remove Britain, Iceland, Scandinavia and America (yes, America) from Europe, instead of Turkey and Russia. Differences make our continent great. And you have so much Turkish influence in Macedonia, Albania and Bosnia. When we talk about obvious influence. When we talk about hidden influence, like grammar rules, way of thinking, way of making food and traveling, way of righting and etc., Turkish influence spreads even to Ukraine and Hungary. So they are part of Europe, even thought they came from Asia

like i'm not against turkey, i am saying that just because turkey shares some arbitrary cultural stuff with europe doesn't make them europe. thats why the best way to determine what continent a country is in, is by taking out a map and see where most of the country or its population physically live in. in the case of turkey it's undisputedly in the asian part, which renders it asian, not european. when you talk about culture, that is up for discussion, but then we don't talk about turkey, but rather turkish culture and i agree that turkisch culture is very european. but turkey as a country is asian , so perhaps turkey is in the wrong continent and have bad luck that they are not in europe.

Rubyna, Woschia, The Dark Norse, Great British Federation, and 2 othersThe Nether Regions, and Scitayarland

Educgi wrote:like i'm not against turkey, i am saying that just because turkey shares some arbitrary cultural stuff with europe doesn't make them europe. thats why the best way to determine what continent a country is in, is by taking out a map and see where most of the country or its population physically live in. in the case of turkey it's undisputedly in the asian part, which renders it asian, not european. when you talk about culture, that is up for discussion, but then we don't talk about turkey, but rather turkish culture and i agree that turkisch culture is very european. but turkey as a country is asian , so perhaps turkey is in the wrong continent and have bad luck that they are not in europe.

You bring up good, respectable, and reasonable points. But even if Turkey is in Asia, she is no lesser for it. No country is unfortunate for not being in Europe.

Rubyna wrote:You bring up good, respectable, and reasonable points. But even if Turkey is in Asia, she is no lesser for it. No country is unfortunate for not being in Europe.

yes okay, but on the premise that turkey want to be part of europe, it would be bad luck of course

Estacia

Rubyna wrote:You bring up good, respectable, and reasonable points. But even if Turkey is in Asia, she is no lesser for it. No country is unfortunate for not being in Europe.

While I agree that it's not any lesser for it, I would probably say it's a bit unfortunate, yeah. Oghuz Turks moved west, south of the Caspian, through Persia. Bulgarians and Hungarians moved through the Northern Black Sea. Now they are in EU and with Schengen, with freedom of movement, while I have to wait for weeks for a visa haha
Of course, that is a very small thing but eh.

Educgi wrote:But turkey as a country is asian , so perhaps turkey is in the wrong continent and have bad luck that they are not in europe.

I respect them, but thanks God they are mostly in Asia. It's not bad luck. It's natural balance.

The Dark Norse, Ebin, Great British Federation, The Nether Regions, and 2 othersScitayarland, and Bulgariyah

Woschia wrote:I respect them, but thanks God they are mostly in Asia. It's not bad luck. It's natural balance.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. If there were in Europe, they would be considered Europeans so I don't think anyone would be a problem with Europeans living in Europe. At least I don't see any. But that is an alternate reality. In our timeline, they're mostly living in Asia and are mostly considered Asians. This has historical reasons. What is "natural balance" supposed to mean, anyway?

Maybe you wanted to say that it's good they're not in the EU? Because I would follow that.

Europa unita wrote:I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. If there were in Europe, they would be considered Europeans so I don't think anyone would be a problem with Europeans living in Europe. At least I don't see any. But that is an alternate reality. In our timeline, they're mostly living in Asia and are mostly considered Asians. This has historical reasons. What is "natural balance" supposed to mean, anyway?
Maybe you wanted to say that it's good they're not in the EU? Because I would follow that.

Side note: This nation (Europa unita) does not include Turkey.

Educgi wrote:hahahaha 3% of turkey is in europe and even if you count population it's barely 1/8th. stop pretending turkey is part of glorious continent europe, we're an elite club of nations and there is no room for wannabes.

Racist.

Alpinovia wrote:Racist.

>implying turkey = race
smh

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Woschia, Estacia, Thracia and Crimea, and Dacian Freelands

Arghhhh.....EuroFounder is no longer the 'Unquestionable Wisdom' but the 'Supreme Commander' Should I start building my bunker???

Pro Brexit or not? As an American, my opinion doesn't matter. But, I am all for the UK being a complete 100% autonomous nation. The EU is good in theory, but it didn't seem to work to well for Greece or Spain.

Dragao da luz wrote:Pro Brexit or not? As an American, my opinion doesn't matter. But, I am all for the UK being a complete 100% autonomous nation. The EU is good in theory, but it didn't seem to work to well for Greece or Spain.

I think the EU is a good idea, but needs major reforms, the problem with the EU is the fact that it only truly benefits the germans and French, while the Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese and others suffer. The EU mainly supports the oligarchs in the "poorer" European countries and doesn't care for the general public as it does in Germany or France. Now that doesn't mean that the people living in the poorer countries of the EU are innocent on the cause of poverty in said nations, however the EU has specifically pushed these countries down to support the richer ones

Dragao da luz wrote:Pro Brexit or not? As an American, my opinion doesn't matter. But, I am all for the UK being a complete 100% autonomous nation. The EU is good in theory, but it didn't seem to work to well for Greece or Spain.

I'm also an American, but I've given a fair bit of thought to this. To me, the problem with Greece and Spain is that the EU is a currency union but not a real political union (or at least not a strong one). The less well-off countries are left without the important tool of controlling their own monetary policy, while also lacking the economic benefits of a true federal system. Either the currency union needs to end, or else there needs to be a move to a stronger federal Europe; the status quo seems unsustainable. The same applies to the immigration issues, where you have one set of central EU government policies on migration and freedom of movement, but then have a country like Greece that (due to the austerity regime in place there) doesn't seem to have the money to be dealing with an influx of migrants. If Europeans feel they are unsafe because migrants aren't being screened properly, then they need to either reduce the austerity demands on Greece, or else take that responsibility away from the underfunded Greeks and put it in the hands of a properly-funded EU immigration service.

Scitayarland

For the record, I'd be against Britain leaving the EU. I think the sensible path for Europe is to strengthen the EU.

I am an American and (Reference incoming Guess the Reference Right or Die.) Frankly My Dear I Don't Give a Damn. I don't care what the EU does as Long as it doesn't affect America.

Lintarn wrote:Arghhhh.....EuroFounder is no longer the 'Unquestionable Wisdom' but the 'Supreme Commander' Should I start building my bunker???

It sounds basicaly the same

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