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North brandenburg

I have a question for the people of Europe. How would you all feel about the European countries unifying into one country but with each state still making many independent decisions. Think of it as an expanded European Union, so a United States type deal.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

I think that would be great, but just with one condition. To all countries of Western Europe be more idendipent (from USA), leave NATO and be more friendly to Russia. In that case, when Europe have it's own economic and militray power, it will be great!

Foucaults garden, Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and 1 otherLight balkanic vinegga

Yes I think Europe should unify it would be great!

Druznia, Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and 2 othersLight balkanic vinegga, and North brandenburg

North brandenburg

Woschia wrote:I think that would be great, but just with one condition. To all countries of Western Europe be more idendipent (from USA), leave NATO and be more friendly to Russia. In that case, when Europe have it's own economic and militray power, it will be great!

Why leave NATO? Especially considering Russian aggression? I do agree that diplomacy should always be used and that Europe could stand being more independent from USA, but leaving it completely and being with Russia doesn't seem the best idea.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

North brandenburg wrote:Why leave NATO? Especially considering Russian aggression? I do agree that diplomacy should always be used and that Europe could stand being more independent from USA, but leaving it completely and being with Russia doesn't seem the best idea.

Russian aggression? What about NATO aggression. NATO is just made to raise American influence on North Atlantic. Everyone who is in NATO became American ally. America is in America, I mean USA is in America, and this country mustn't have anything to do with Europe. Russia is in Europe and deserve to be part of Union. If Western Europe see that US use them and if they see real view of Russia, Europe can be become more idendipentent and better place. Croatia still today use fascistic symblos and Hungary made a wall beacuse of immigrants-that is real view of European Union, that Americans made, and Russians can stop.

Foucaults garden, Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and 1 otherLight balkanic vinegga

Woschia wrote:Russian aggression? What about NATO aggression. NATO is just made to raise American influence on North Atlantic. Everyone who is in NATO became American ally. America is in America, I mean USA is in America, and this country mustn't have anything to do with Europe. Russia is in Europe and deserve to be part of Union. If Western Europe see that US use them and if they see real view of Russia, Europe can be become more idendipentent and better place. Croatia still today use fascistic symblos and Hungary made a wall beacuse of immigrants-that is real view of European Union, that Americans made, and Russians can stop.

I think you're confusing joining NATO leads to brainwashing into American allies with the fact that American allies join NATO.

Melfar, Dark Matter, Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, and 3 othersThe Nether Regions, Light balkanic vinegga, and North brandenburg

The one thing about American foreign policy that bothers me is the Monroe Doctrine. We've told Europe/Asia to stay out of the Americas, yet we've been involving ourselves in everything they do since WW2, and even before that. Although we were justified in the World Wars, why are we going over there now, if we tell them to stay out of here? What kind of logic is that?

Outer Sparta, Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and 2 othersLight balkanic vinegga, and North brandenburg

North brandenburg

Woschia wrote:Russian aggression? What about NATO aggression. NATO is just made to raise American influence on North Atlantic. Everyone who is in NATO became American ally. America is in America, I mean USA is in America, and this country mustn't have anything to do with Europe. Russia is in Europe and deserve to be part of Union. If Western Europe see that US use them and if they see real view of Russia, Europe can be become more idendipentent and better place. Croatia still today use fascistic symblos and Hungary made a wall beacuse of immigrants-that is real view of European Union, that Americans made, and Russians can stop.

Haha this is almost funny. You actually seem to think Russia is some kind of benevolent force. All my experiences with them have been quite the opposite of that. They may not be Soviets anymore, but that doesn't mean they have forgotten all of their cold war plans. I'm not saying we should war with them and we should absolutely keep diplomacy going, but to say we need to cut ties with America and start hugging Russia is slightly naive in my opinion.
And no, I don't think we should let America have too much influence either, but they would make great allies... Assuming they get a better administration soon. Their current leaders are very lacking in the foreign diplomacy department.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

North brandenburg

Melfar wrote:The one thing about American foreign policy that bothers me is the Monroe Doctrine. We've told Europe/Asia to stay out of the Americas, yet we've been involving ourselves in everything they do since WW2, and even before that. Although we were justified in the World Wars, why are we going over there now, if we tell them to stay out of here? What kind of logic is that?

I agree with this one hundred percent.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

North brandenburg wrote:I agree with this one hundred percent.

Yeah, definitely America's foreign policy is f@cked up.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

Is that really a certainty?

After WW2, first person that really wanted to unite Europe into one, was Tito. Ally of Stalin, best freind of Churchil. Beacuse of Cold War conflict, he made Non-Aligment movement and called many European countries to join, but they had same opinion as you. Stalin was crazy aggressor and USA are great ally. Still, Yugoslavia wanted to unite Europe again. So, in '90. Americans sent agents to Slovenia and Croatia, saying that Yugoslavia is the worst country in Europe. Than Yugoslav war started, the biggest conflict in Europe after WW2. After destroying of Yugoslvia, dream of uniting Europe into one coutnry stopped to exist. Russians seem as aggressors, but they want to protect their people. Americans will never understand it. They do not have even ''their'' people, America is full of immigrants. I feel bad beacuse you think that Americans are friends of Europe. ''Great Powers do not have feelings'', they just want to expand.

So tell me, will America let Europe unite? Imagine, how will be big army of Russians, Germans and French united. Eh, Stalin really destroyed Russian pride. Beacuse of him, everybody thinks that Russia is still same. Country that don't have official religion, language and nationality destroy many countries around world. I understand if Albania attacks Greece, for example, their have islam, Albanain language and their own nationailty. But why America attacks other coutnries? They bombed my country 16 years ago, and many people died, and our economy was destroyed, so maybe I am victim of anti-American propaganda. But something is right about them-they don't want to help. Guys, NATO is not made to protect Europe. NATO is made to spread American influence, and do destroy communism in Europe.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!My country became corrupt again!

Foucaults garden

Russia is bad. Nato is good. World Politics can be so easy.

Foucaults garden wrote:Russia is bad. Nato is good. World Politics can be so easy.

But it is not so easy. Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Russians are not that bad. Stalin made that picture of them. Nato is not much good. I am not telling this beacuse of hate, I am telling this beacuse I see all Europeans as my family, and I feel bad when I know that America use us, Foucaults.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

North brandenburg

Woschia wrote:After WW2, first person that really wanted to unite Europe into one, was Tito. Ally of Stalin, best freind of Churchil. Beacuse of Cold War conflict, he made Non-Aligment movement and called many European countries to join, but they had same opinion as you. Stalin was crazy aggressor and USA are great ally. Still, Yugoslavia wanted to unite Europe again. So, in '90. Americans sent agents to Slovenia and Croatia, saying that Yugoslavia is the worst country in Europe. Than Yugoslav war started, the biggest conflict in Europe after WW2. After destroying of Yugoslvia, dream of uniting Europe into one coutnry stopped to exist. Russians seem as aggressors, but they want to protect their people. Americans will never understand it. They do not have even ''their'' people, America is full of immigrants. I feel bad beacuse you think that Americans are friends of Europe. ''Great Powers do not have feelings'', they just want to expand.

So tell me, will America let Europe unite? Imagine, how will be big army of Russians, Germans and French united. Eh, Stalin really destroyed Russian pride. Beacuse of him, everybody thinks that Russia is still same. Country that don't have official religion, language and nationality destroy many countries around world. I understand if Albania attacks Greece, for example, their have islam, Albanain language and their own nationailty. But why America attacks other coutnries? They bombed my country 16 years ago, and many people died, and our economy was destroyed, so maybe I am victim of anti-American propaganda. But something is right about them-they don't want to help. Guys, NATO is not made to protect Europe. NATO is made to spread American influence, and do destroy communism in Europe.

There is some information that needs to be cleared up. Tito was a great man actually but there are two things to point out. One is that because he was communist, no western European country would trust him enough to allow for a united Europe. Second, he and Stalin had a falling out because Tito found the Russians to be too aggressive and oppressive and so saying that he was an ally of Stalin is only partially true. Even in his biography, Tito complained about many of the Soviets policies. Also, after Tito passed away, there was no unifying figure like him and so civil war broke out and tore apart Yugoslavia.

Furthermore, it's not just Stalin who has ruined the Russian image. Their government has proven corrupt consistently and the actions taken on Ukraine show they still follow many of their aggressive and oppressive ways. And yes, I believe America would let Europe unite. What country are you from?

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

Right now Russia is nearly a dictatorship I think.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, Light balkanic vinegga, and 1 otherNorth brandenburg

Help me im rebuilding from a civil war

Adlandas wrote:Right now Russia is nearly a dictatorship I think.

In Russia, president assassinates you!

Melfar, Imperium Anglorum, Hoppfullmark, Adlandas, and 5 othersQuantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, Light balkanic vinegga, and North brandenburg

Hello hello hello

North brandenburg wrote:There is some information that needs to be cleared up. Tito was a great man actually but there are two things to point out. One is that because he was communist, no western European country would trust him enough to allow for a united Europe. Second, he and Stalin had a falling out because Tito found the Russians to be too aggressive and oppressive and so saying that he was an ally of Stalin is only partially true. Even in his biography, Tito complained about many of the Soviets policies. Also, after Tito passed away, there was no unifying figure like him and so civil war broke out and tore apart Yugoslavia.

Furthermore, it's not just Stalin who has ruined the Russian image. Their government has proven corrupt consistently and the actions taken on Ukraine show they still follow many of their aggressive and oppressive ways. And yes, I believe America would let Europe unite. What country are you from?

Tito is known as ''the richest communist''. That is not true, beacuse sallary of Stalin was the biggest, I think the biggest for one leader. Anyway, he have that nickname, beacuse he saw that Stalin wanted to use Albania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Greece for his influence. Tito stopped that, and he was only person that said ''no!'' to Stalin. Stalin was about to attack Yugoslavia, but Tito recieved help from Western World. He was communist, but most approved in world. Nehru, even said that he is a great person. Legend say that Tito had the biggest funeral in Europe ever. On ceremony, there was over 80 great delegates from each country. When mother of American president came into Socialistic Federatic Republic Yugoslavia, she thought that here was great misery, but we had the best economy that communists had in Europe. Tito was great person, and Titoism, his ideology, is real socialism, where everyone is same. Stalin didn't had power here. Golden ages was in 1970', for example ''Svetlost'' (Light) done electronic work for Olympic games in Munich. Same company made at that time, the most modern technology for electricity, for royal residences in many countries, even out of Europe. Anyway, even after dead of Tito, we was united, but we was communists. That was only ''problem''. Americans said ''look what communism done of Germany, and look what of Yugoslavia''. When Yugoslavia was about to be destroyed, countries of European union started to negoitate for membership. Legend say that real communism was succesful just in China and Yugoslavia. I know that we had better wages than Spain and Portugal, once better than Italians. Anyway, if muslims, catholics, orthodoxes, Slavs, Albanians, Hungarians and Italians could unite in Yugoslvia, why Europe shouldn't?

Communistic country that hate Stalin and Soviets? Great ally for NATO. And I am from Serbia. Before Ukraine, Serbia was last place that had war in Europe.

Adlandas wrote:Right now Russia is nearly a dictatorship I think.

One name Tito. President for life (dictator) was the 13 mass killer in whole world. He killed his opposition. When he done that he made a great power in Southern Europe. So, dictatorship can be good sometimes, my friend. And Russia is not dictatorship, as their consitution say.

I read some times ago ''will funeral of Nelson Mandela be greater than Tito's?''. Man that was first president of Non-Aligment movement and only person that was friend of East and West. Ah, I still remember our great ruler... We need him once again. Anyway, there are clear evidences that he had campaign ''cult of personality'', so maybe we love him too much, he still became leader beacuse he killed monarchists in WW2 and he was dictator, but he was great name. I am happy that someone heard of him. Big respect from Serbs!

North brandenburg

Communism was not successful in China and has been largely replaced by a mixed market economy. Once Tito died, a lot of internal pressure appeared which is what tore Yugoslavia apart. It wasn't any outside force that caused that. But you are right that if all those ethnic groups could be brought together, then why not Europe?

And you brought up Tito being a mass killer and getting rid of his opposition and then say that dictatorship can be good. It is very obvious that our opinions of good are quite different. Such actions are absolutely terrible and most people of the Western world would not support a mass killer.

Lastly, yes the Russian constitution days they are no longer a dictatorship, but Putin has proven on several occasions that he does not care for the Russian constitution and many believe he would love to be the next Russian dictator.

Quantum instability, Spitzen-polish, The Nether Regions, and Light balkanic vinegga

Again, and again. Ganum (honey on Turksih), Tito was president for life (dictator). He made one of the greatest economies in Eastern Europe ever, but Stalinists wanted to stop it. In WW2 he recieved help from Soviets and promised to be their ally, but soonly Tito changed his opinion about Stalin. Tito killed everybody that like Stalin, than after that Yugoslavia was free and more democratic country. America is mass killer. They killed over 2000 people in Serbia, in one week. Anyway, he was accepted as great leader, and Western World was even happy beacuse he killed and imprisoned many of Stalin's people. Remember, Yugoslavia was before destroying asked to be part of European Union.

Slovenia wanted to be idendipent, beacuse of American consul there. Americans gave weapons to Croats, and helped islamists in Bosnia. Americans than helped Albanians and bombed Serbia. Hey! We once had great economy, and than in 1996. you could buy just cigaretes, bread and one bottle of milk, just from one sallary (that you recieved monthly). Inflatian was great, dinar that was same as german marc, became 10 times lower and this great economic problem cannot cause people from Yugoslavia, but Americans. I don't know why you think that just ethnic groups destroyed Yugoslavia, even by themselves. 3 of 4 big groups was helped by Americans. Admit it. Americans destroyed many countries. We sold so many great weapons to Gadafi, and he gave us two camels. Than our companies made residence for Sadam Husein. Than we had the best embassy in Ethiopia, Haile Selasie gave us. Than we recieved golden gifts from Indira Gandhi. Where are all this people today? How they died? Tito's great friend was Castro, finger in eyes of USA.

Ganum, not like honey for bees. Ganum means more like darling.

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