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Post self-deleted by Tobiasan.

Night-watchman state

Tobiasan wrote:There are a few things Obama has done right. In all honesty he isn't the worst leader we've ever had. The thing I can't stand most though is the Obamas trying to dictate what we should and should not eat. This is a free country, and choosing what you eat and how much of it you eat should be a basic freedom. It's not the governments place to dictate what we can and can't do with our bodies. All drugs should be legalized, regulated and sold like alcohol. All churches should be taxed like every other business. All sexual orientations should be free to do whatever as long as it's consenting adults. I am a Christian but my moral values shouldn't be made law just because I believe them to be true. God gave man free will stop interfering and let them exercise it. As long as you don't hurt another person you should be free to do as you please.

This right here^ Couldn't have said it better. Since you brought up religion I'd also like to remind everyone that Jesus would have probably been an anarcho-capitalist had he lived today.

Tobiasan

Agrarianamerica

Night-watchman state wrote:This right here^ Couldn't have said it better. Since you brought up religion I'd also like to remind everyone that Jesus would have probably been an anarcho-capitalist had he lived today.

Jesus was a neo-socialist

Agrarianamerica

Tobiasan wrote:There are a few things Obama has done right. In all honesty he isn't the worst leader we've ever had. The thing I can't stand most though is the Obamas trying to dictate what we should and should not eat. This is a free country, and choosing what you eat and how much of it you eat should be a basic freedom. It's not the governments place to dictate what we can and can't do with our bodies. All drugs should be legalized, regulated and sold like alcohol. All churches should be taxed like every other business. All sexual orientations should be free to do whatever as long as it's consenting adults. I am a Christian but my moral values shouldn't be made law just because I believe them to be true. God gave man free will stop interfering and let them exercise it. As long as you don't hurt another person you should be free to do as you please.

Church isn't a business tho. It has very very low income and priests make on average slightly less then teachers.

Agrarianamerica wrote:Church isn't a business tho. It has very very low income and priests make on average slightly less then teachers.

A church has an income and that income should be taxed. If the church truly gives to charity then that can be written off. I don't know whats so hard to understand. Any profit a church makes should be taxed like any other business. If the church operates at a loss or is truly completely non profit then taxes won't hurt those churches.

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All i hear on tv is gay rights. Personally I find homosexuality disgusting but it's their ass not mine.lol. I don't care if you're gay straight or the other I just don't want to hear about it. I don't need to know about your oral fixations or personal preferences. I don't care what gets you off just do it and shut up about it! What do you care if I approve of your naughty time. If your happy why do you care. I support your rights even though personally I find it gross. I also ssupport the rights of those who say it's wrong because they are entitled to their opinion and beliefs. You can't punish someone for not agreeing with you. You can't write someone off as ignorant and hateful just because they have a different opinion.

The Devils Advocate and Agrarianamerica

Agrarianamerica

Tobiasan wrote:A church has an income and that income should be taxed. If the church truly gives to charity then that can be written off. I don't know whats so hard to understand. Any profit a church makes should be taxed like any other business. If the church operates at a loss or is truly completely non profit then taxes won't hurt those churches.

But a Church does give back to the community. Churches give to the poor a lot. Also, priests need a way to make at least some income, God doesn't throw them pennies from heaven. And as I said before, priests make around as much as teachers, often less.

Agrarianamerica

Also churches don't have an income, their existence is based on the generosity of people, NOT, their own work. So they don't have an income in the normal sense.

Tremors was a great movie! Y'all wouldn't know a good movie if it bit you in the butt!

The Devils Advocate and The global warming doomsday fantasy cult

Agrarianamerica wrote:But a Church does give back to the community. Churches give to the poor a lot. Also, priests need a way to make at least some income, God doesn't throw them pennies from heaven. And as I said before, priests make around as much as teachers, often less.

But there are also pastors who make a lot of money and they need to be taxed like everyone else. Not every church is Catholic with priest. I myself am Baptist.

Churches are tax exempt because they are charitable non-profit organizations. If that's not enough, think of your favorite charity or one you have benefited from. Do you want that organization to be taxed into oblivion?

The Devils Advocate and Agrarianamerica

Agrarianamerica wrote:Jesus was a neo-socialist

That would make him a relative moralist and He never took or gave money for his ministry.

Amazing Family Jewels wrote:Churches are tax exempt because they are charitable non-profit organizations. If that's not enough, think of your favorite charity or one you have benefited from. Do you want that organization to be taxed into oblivion?

No but if that charity has a surplus of cash revenue which it is not using for the community then that money should be taxed. If a church doesn't make a profit it won't be taxed but alot of mega churches are bringing in millions of dollars. Dollars which should be subject to taxation.

Tobiasan wrote:No but if that charity has a surplus of cash revenue which it is not using for the community then that money should be taxed. If a church doesn't make a profit it won't be taxed but alot of mega churches are bringing in millions of dollars. Dollars which should be subject to taxation.

That might describe a charitable foundation that donates $$ from interest it earns on it's surpluses. Now you're into scholarship/grant $$ too.

If religious institutions are taxed, what if they're unable to meet tax obligations and are forced to shut down?

Wouldn't that be against the infringement of religious liberties, since the tax code can only be Constitutionally modified by Congress?

Agrarianamerica

Agrarianamerica

Churches give to the poor and have to manage for themselves. Churches can never be making a profit since their money is just donations will be given to give Bishops, Cardinals, Priests etc an income, be given to the poor, or used to reinnovate the Church

I think that there's a difference between regular churches and the multi-million dollar mega churches. I'm fine with taxing the megachurches as I believe that they have lost their faith. It seems to me like they're more about the money and that's not what a church should be about.

Monkey cheeze wrote:I think that there's a difference between regular churches and the multi-million dollar mega churches. I'm fine with taxing the megachurches as I believe that they have lost their faith. It seems to me like they're more about the money and that's not what a church should be about.

Exactly thank you. Mega churches should not be considered non-profit. If a church falls within a certain tax bracket like 100, 000 and up per year then they should be taxed.

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Tobiasan wrote:Exactly thank you. Mega churches should not be considered non-profit. If a church falls within a certain tax bracket like 100, 000 and up per year then they should be taxed.

So small churches should stay small? What happens to the incentive to grow and do more good works? (you have fallen into the trap of punishing success.)

Monkey cheeze wrote:I think that there's a difference between regular churches and the multi-million dollar mega churches. I'm fine with taxing the megachurches as I believe that they have lost their faith. It seems to me like they're more about the money and that's not what a church should be about.

How does making money suddenly make you guilty of "losing your faith?" If they are successful in appealing to a lot of people are as a result make a lot in donations they didn't automatically become greedy, faithless scammers.

The Devils Advocate wrote:So small churches should stay small? What happens to the incentive to grow and do more good works? (you have fallen into the trap of punishing success.)

No not punishing success just making sure everyone pays their fair share. A church like a business can get as big and successful as it wishes and make as much money as it can but it should play by the rules everyone else plays by. Give unto ceaser what is ceasers and give unto God what is Gods.

Monopoly conglomerates

Preachers still have to pay income tax on whatever their take is. So do employees of churches. Catholic Priests and Nuns take vows of poverty and never really own anything. I don't know about rabbis or imams.

United states of the universe

United states of the universe

Monopoly conglomerates wrote:Preachers still have to pay income tax on whatever their take is. So do employees of churches. Catholic Priests and Nuns take vows of poverty and never really own anything. I don't know about rabbis or imams.

Yet many churches don't have religious leaders who get paid. All funds go to church development, maintenance, programs, and church president.

Monopoly conglomerates

Monkey cheeze wrote:I think that there's a difference between regular churches and the multi-million dollar mega churches. I'm fine with taxing the megachurches as I believe that they have lost their faith. It seems to me like they're more about the money and that's not what a church should be about.

Then the Catholic Church should be paying a lot of taxes to every nation they have a Cathedral or other place of worship.

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