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New fakeland wrote:-Does the west have any right or responsibility to encourage or impose equality on nations that treat women as 2nd class humans?

Where are you living? This still happens in all aspects of human interaction in the West. Women are routinely treated as second class individuals in the professional world in terms of advancement and remuneration. Laws and court verdicts in many jurisdictions still have a male centric bias. The emancipation of women has been a struggle for generations and is still a work in progress.

The united thingys, Barkargardet, Enwick, and Illand

Lady Marian wrote:Where are you living? This still happens in all aspects of human interaction in the West. Women are routinely treated as second class individuals in the professional world in terms of advancement and remuneration. Laws and court verdicts in many jurisdictions still have a male centric bias. The emancipation of women has been a struggle for generations and is still a work in progress.

Truth!

Lady Marian wrote:Where are you living? This still happens in all aspects of human interaction in the West. Women are routinely treated as second class individuals in the professional world in terms of advancement and remuneration. Laws and court verdicts in many jurisdictions still have a male centric bias. The emancipation of women has been a struggle for generations and is still a work in progress.

No, you are wrong. Women have the same rights in this country as men, and are mostly treated the same. In fact , when you factor in job experience, the time women take off work during pregnancy, and the fact that women choose to enter less-paying fields, the wage gap shrinks to around 1% or less for most jobs. In no way are women treated as second class, and in the case of court verdicts, men are screwed over often in divorces because the woman is far more likely to receive custody of the child/children. Saying women are oppressed in this country is a gross exaggeration, so please do not act like you are discriminated against when women in the middle east actually are.

Alvalero, The Dark Norse, and Cametonia

Schrute beets wrote:No, you are wrong. Women have the same rights in this country as men, and are mostly treated the same. In fact , when you factor in job experience, the time women take off work during pregnancy, and the fact that women choose to enter less-paying fields, the wage gap shrinks to around 1% or less for most jobs. In no way are women treated as second class, and in the case of court verdicts, men are screwed over often in divorces because the woman is far more likely to receive custody of the child/children. Saying women are oppressed in this country is a gross exaggeration, so please do not act like you are discriminated against when women in the middle east actually are.

Wage gap doesn't exist, it's an earnings gap. Wage discrimination has been outlawed since 1963 in the US, 1970 in the UK and 1974 in Ireland. If you earn less for doing the exact same job as someone else that is something you should take up with your employer or the authorities. If you work harder, more hours, get a promotion, etc, and thus earn more money than someone else then that is fair.
The idea that women are 2nd class citizens in the western world anymore, when straight white men are depicted as the as the face of all that is wrong with the world in media and acedemia, is laughable. Travel the internet long enough and you'll see that.

Illand, The Dark Norse, Schrute beets, and Cametonia

You are both wrong. The truth is that when two individuals with the same exact experience and abilities are candidates for a job, the man will most likely get the job. Most employers still feel that a woman is only in the workforce until she becomes pregnant and leaves to have her children. Whether blatant or covert, this is still the reality of the workplace.

The united thingys

The truth is that women are a figment of our imaginations, gender is too, and that we are all trees. Be one with the trees my friends. While I sit here and imagine women.

New fakeland

The army control corps

My humble citizens believe that imagination is only good if it advances the nation! All such frivolous worrying over imagined differences is obsolete thinking of the past! Our glorious army of super soldiers are grown in vats and genetically engineered from the very moment they enter existance! All hail the army control corps! Gender... what is gender? You foreign madmen! Why must you assail me with your outdated arguments and philosophies!?!

*Rambles off on a diatribe as security whisks him back to his flying death palace.*

The wings of morelia

Here's a good question.
If a group of doctors predicts that your unborn child has a high chance of gaining a life changing disorder such as down syndrome, etc, will you abort or keep it?

Post self-deleted by New swayua.

In the case of Down syndrome. A human is more then capable of living a great life! But there are other cases in which a child would be brought into the world to suffer... At that point I think it would only be fair to abort. Why bring someone who is only going to be in pain into this world.

I am not saying that I hate people that say abortion is OK if the baby would be born only to suffer, but abortion is wrong in my eyes. I feel like it is murder.

The retroville

I don't think anyone likes the idea of an abortion. Its a horrible thing, but its necessary to give the parents the choice.

Thats why they say pro-choice not pro-abortion

The united thingys and The Dark Norse

There are too many different factors, such as how far developed the fetus is, the severity of the disorder, the chance of the child getting it, and the current state of medical research on the disorder.

As for the issue of abortion, it's not really an issue of life (we kill thousands of microbes and plants a day, so any claim that life is sacred is ludicrous), or murder (as murder is the illegal killing of a human being, and foetuses don't even meet the requirements of being a living human being [humans are considered dead when their brain no longer functions, so a foetus that doesn't even have a brain can no more be considered an independent living human, that a tumour]).

The united thingys, The wings of morelia, and The Dark Norse

The united thingys

Abort all fetuses. Abort the human race. Abort abort. I repeat the mission has failed, we are pulling out.

The Dark Norse, Nein land, and Schrute beets

Seriously??? One of those aborted fetuses could have been you.

well, as explained by the butterfly effect, any action can alter the world enough so that children that were going to be born, aren't, and children that weren't going to be born, are.
So one could argue that any change you are in favour of, if it had been implemented long enough before your conception, would have caused many foetuses to not exist in the first place, and one of those foetuses could have been you!

Illand wrote:I am not saying that I hate people that say abortion is OK if the baby would be born only to suffer, but abortion is wrong in my eyes. I feel like it is murder.

How do you murder something that was never alive?

New fakeland wrote:well, as explained by the butterfly effect, any action can alter the world enough so that children that were going to be born, aren't, and children that weren't going to be born, are.
So one could argue that any change you are in favour of, if it had been implemented long enough before your conception, would have caused many foetuses to not exist in the first place, and one of those foetuses could have been you!

Many Worlds Theory anyone? - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

There IS a time and a place for everyone and everything; it is possible that somewhere "out there" I'm a huge purple elephant-kangaroo hybrid bouncing along on an orange jelly planet, blissed out on some hallucinogenic meal that I ate after, "going and fück¡ng myself", and I'm having a bad trip that I'm a human being wasting my time chatting sh¡t on some online political game...

The united thingys wrote:Abort all fetuses. Abort the human race. Abort abort. I repeat the mission has failed, we are pulling out.

But the problem is abortion is a result of not pulling out

The united thingys and Nein land

But that could easily be avoided by not putting out to begin with :P

The Dark Norse wrote:Many Worlds Theory anyone?

No. Parallel universes are just cheap science fiction, and has no relevance to real science!

I'm curious, who here would be upset if the person they were dating or married to constantly put playing a game above their relationship with you?

Enwick wrote:You are both wrong. The truth is that when two individuals with the same exact experience and abilities are candidates for a job, the man will most likely get the job. Most employers still feel that a woman is only in the workforce until she becomes pregnant and leaves to have her children. Whether blatant or covert, this is still the reality of the workplace.

You've not argued the point either of us made so you can't claim either of us are wrong when you havn't proven our points wrong. You've now gone from wages earned per hour to hiring workers. What you have now just tried to argue is that hiring practices for businesses are sexist. In the event a business has 2 equally qualified people going for 1 position, with one male and one female candidate, a business hiring the man over the woman makes sense as the woman will cost the business money when she leaves to have her child because they still need to pay for maternity leave and hire someone to replace her during her time off which means paying extra wages. As a businesses main objective is generate as much profit as possible, having the least amount of cost possible, it makes perfect business sense to hire the person who wont cost the business an additional pay check for a period of time. Whether or not you think this is right logic doesn't care and it is the logical way for a business to act. Fortunately for society this is not a policy businesses have.
Also, to the point of "The truth is that when two individuals with the same exact experience and abilities are candidates for a job, the man will most likely get the job", citation needed because believe it or not, according to the HESA in the UK, women who graduate are more likely to find jobs than males after leaving college.

To the abortion conversation I believe it should be allowed however the person having the abortion should pay for it because getting pregnant is very easily prevented in most cases(Rape or faulty contraseptives could cause pregnancy) and the medical staff helping with the abortion could be doing something more useful with their time.

New fakeland wrote:Parallel universes are just cheap science fiction, and has no relevance to real science!

Proponents of String Theory might disagree.

The whole field of theoretical physics is basically just guesswork though, so isn't "proper" science either :P

Also, an infinite number of parallel universes, where anything can happen, is logically impossible. If there is a universe for every variation of the laws of physics, then there's a universe where the laws of physics state that there can't be any parallel universes. That universe must therefore be this universe, otherwise this universe wouldn't exist. On the other hand, if there isn't an infinite universes, then this universe must still be that universe, as it is the only one that exists.

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