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Can we differentiate gender and sex here? Gender is performative; the socially informed part. Sex is the biological. Hence why we call it "Sex Reassignment Surgery" or "Gender Confirmation Surgery". A lot of confusion stems from the fusion of these independent concepts; when you recognise them as different, a lot of things make sense. For example, the term "Gender Identity" itself.

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Genderbread-2.1.jpg
^ this is pretty concise.

Pantuxia and Rengaria

Free outer eugenia wrote:Doctors most certainly do assign gender. Where do you think gender is assigned? By God and the angels? A doctor says "its a boy" or "its a girl" and that's what goes on the birth certificate.

It comes from what sex organs you have.

Free outer eugenia wrote:So what is gender then?

A concept invented in the 1950/60s to justify people unhappy with their sex.

Honestly, gender and sex is a great subject to study, especially casually (imo). I've been reading some case studies on it, like there was this one guy who had a botched circumcision when he was a baby so his parents tried to turn him into a girl, even had corrective surgery as a baby. So this guy grew up with his parents trying to make him into a girl, and he constantly rejected it, eventually he grew up and sex reassignment surgery, got married and became a step-father to his wife's kids, his parents then came out and said how he was actually genetically male and came clean. Gender, in most cases, is determined, at least psychologically, during growth in the womb, which is why in the case of the guy, he suffered gender dysphoria (in the correct usage of the term, not edgy transphobia). I also read on an article (the same article as the case study I mention earlier in this comment) that there are about 6 (common-ish) biological sexes, at least chromosomal-wise, and on another article I read about 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, where a biological male is born without male genitalia because of the deficiency (due to the inability to make/convert a form of testosterone), so they look physically female, despite identifying as male, then when puberty comes around they get another dose of 5-alpha-reductase and they start growing male genitalia, albeit a bit smaller than average.

Common-ish biological sexes: http://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
5-ARD: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/boys-who-only-develop-penis-when-they-hit-age-12/

Ariasteppe and Sambalandia

We definitely need more studies regarding gender and sexuality.

Oh and hi everybody. New in the region.

Ariasteppe and Rengaria

Arbeitermachtland

Egohedonia wrote:We definitely need more studies regarding gender and sexuality.
Oh and hi everybody. New in the region.

FLAGS ARE JUST SPOOKS
I like yours though

Arbeitermachtland wrote:FLAGS ARE JUST SPOOKS
I like yours though

I like its colors myself. The red shows off my damn dirty parasitic moocher communism, the black my ruthless and brutal rich-eating cop-killing anarchism and the white just says I'm a white boy on the internet.

We need a good flag so we can put it everywhere in our anarcho-states and pledge our allegiance to it and compare burning it to being literally Hitler deserving eventual but inescapable death by gulag.

Pantuxia and Arbeitermachtland

Egohedonia wrote:I like its colors myself. The red shows off my damn dirty parasitic moocher communism, the black my ruthless and brutal rich-eating cop-killing anarchism and the white just says I'm a white boy on the internet.
We need a good flag so we can put it everywhere in our anarcho-states and pledge our allegiance to it and compare burning it to being literally Hitler deserving eventual but inescapable death by gulag.

3edgy5me

Ariasteppe and Egohedonia

Rengaria wrote:Honestly, gender and sex is a great subject to study, especially casually (imo). I've been reading some case studies on it, like there was this one guy who had a botched circumcision when he was a baby so his parents tried to turn him into a girl, even had corrective surgery as a baby. So this guy grew up with his parents trying to make him into a girl, and he constantly rejected it, eventually he grew up and sex reassignment surgery, got married and became a step-father to his wife's kids, his parents then came out and said how he was actually genetically male and came clean. Gender, in most cases, is determined, at least psychologically, during growth in the womb, which is why in the case of the guy, he suffered gender dysphoria (in the correct usage of the term, not edgy transphobia)./

Huh, not aware of this case. There's the famous case of David Reimer, which is less positive. The case involves a guy who had a botched circumcision, was reassigned female, later experienced severe gender dysphoria, found out what happened, tried to transition back, and tragically ended up committing suicide...

Let's also recognise another problem with the gender/sex binary. Namely, because our birth certificates only accept "M" and "F", people born with intermediate genitals ("intersex") face the doctor's knife, often with really dysfunctional results, and often results in people growing up and identifying with the opposite sex to that reassigned. This is a huge problem in the realm of intersex rights.

This all intersects wildly with anarchism. The gender and sex binary is particularly a problem because the state enforces it. Doctors violate the "first, do no harm" principle because of the state. Queer theory fights for the rights of individuals against the authoritarianism intrinsic within our current system; anarchism fights for the rights of individuals from authoritarianism intrinsic within the state. I'd argue each is anaemic without the other.

Rengaria

Pantuxia wrote:3edgy5me

Spoiler warning (unless it was clear from the flag already): I'm the overlord of edge. That's what I become when I debate. I also have been debating for years and tend to not take them seriously. In short, I crack jokes. Oh noes. I am also an anti-work anarcho-communist egoist. Pleasure to meet you all. I feel we can be the bestest of friends. Let's hug.

Pantuxia and Ariasteppe

So what form of anarchism is the dominant one in you? What do you focus on primarily aside from the usual states and corporations f--king up your life?

Pantuxia and Rengaria

Egohedonia wrote:So what form of anarchism is the dominant one in you? What do you focus on primarily aside from the usual states and corporations f--king up your life?

Well I'm a mutualist, so I'm a fan of socialism blended with individualism by means of "non-capitalistic free-markets", primarily through labour-backed credit and free association. I often identify with anarcho syndicalism because it's quite hard to find other mutualists to protest and stuff with (also anarcho-capitalists tend to be surprisingly reactionary and authoritarian [sorry non-sucky ancaps]), and also mutualism is very similar to syndicalism, particularly in our current organisation of anti-state opposition, but yeah.

Otherwise, I'm primarily a postgrad computer science researcher, which drives an interest in counter-economics and transhumanism. I can't see how anyone can be a statist or capitalist in light of where advances in 3D printing, AI, and human augmentation are going; should the state or the financially-empowered have monopolised access to these technologies, we are truly f*cked as a species, as the most successful form of totalitarian tyranny awaits in that circumstance. On the side, I'm a queer activist and have protested in and helped run an LGBT support group, and to a slightly lesser degree I'm also a neurodiversity activist, for whatever that's worth.

Anarchadom, Rengaria, and Dolan2016

What's funny about ancaps is they accuse ancoms of misinterpreting their ideology, then go ahead and do the same with the old-ass Venezuela-, "you like welfare"-, "you wanna stop people doing what they want"- and "it's not a state because you say so"-memes. Ah well, truly free markets would be non-capitalistic anyway because that doesn't accumulate as much capital to its actors as say an oligopoly, corporatism, cartel or even monopoly, which they falsely say isn't possible for businesses to do on their own. I'd say ancaps are misguided minarchist capitalists with extra arrogance over their strand of economic science-ideology. I'm all for anarchist and left unity, as futile as the attempts may seem, but could ancaps ever be a part of that?

Pantuxia, Ariasteppe, Rengaria, and Dolan2016

Egohedonia wrote:What's funny about ancaps is they accuse ancoms of misinterpreting their ideology, then go ahead and do the same with the old-ass Venezuela-, "you like welfare"-, "you wanna stop people doing what they want"- and "it's not a state because you say so"-memes. Ah well, truly free markets would be non-capitalistic anyway because that doesn't accumulate as much capital to its actors as say an oligopoly, corporatism, cartel or even monopoly, which they falsely say isn't possible for businesses to do on their own. I'd say ancaps are misguided minarchist capitalists with extra arrogance over their strand of economic science-ideology. I'm all for anarchist and left unity, as futile as the attempts may seem, but could ancaps ever be a part of that?

Maybe.

Pantuxia wrote:Maybe.

Eh. it would probably just devolve into a "more anarchist than thou"-themed dick-fencing tournament. I say let their businesses die out and succumb to our communist ways.

Pantuxia

"The Community of Egohedonia is a fledgling, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its public floggings, absence of drug laws, and devotion to social welfare."

wait what

Pantuxia

Arbeitermachtland

Egohedonia wrote:"The Community of Egohedonia is a fledgling, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its public floggings, absence of drug laws, and devotion to social welfare."
wait what

Don't worry, Porky's the only victim of it.

Pantuxia and Egohedonia

Egohedonia wrote:So what form of anarchism is the dominant one in you? What do you focus on primarily aside from the usual states and corporations f--king up your life?

I'm an AnCom, but I've been looking into social ecology and solarpunk anarchism recently. I could probably fit them into the AnCom ideology, since you can trace back their origins to Bookchin, then back to Kropotkin. I'm currently a sixth form student, studying medical science, hopefully going to Uni next year to do a Masters degree in Biochemistry.

Anarchadom and Ariasteppe

Post self-deleted by Dolan2016.

Egohedonia wrote:What's funny about ancaps is they accuse ancoms of misinterpreting their ideology, then go ahead and do the same with the old-ass Venezuela-, "you like welfare"-, "you wanna stop people doing what they want"- and "it's not a state because you say so"-memes. Ah well, truly free markets would be non-capitalistic anyway because that doesn't accumulate as much capital to its actors as say an oligopoly, corporatism, cartel or even monopoly, which they falsely say isn't possible for businesses to do on their own. I'd say ancaps are misguided minarchist capitalists with extra arrogance over their strand of economic science-ideology. I'm all for anarchist and left unity, as futile as the attempts may seem, but could ancaps ever be a part of that?

Corporations would be drastically reduced under a real free market. If people really had the choice they wouldn't sell their work to such a system.

As for AnCaps, not all are bad, but all are definitely mis-guided in some areas.

Ariasteppe

Not to mention that if anarchy were to happen, the value of money itself would plummet and thus the whole digital money-based monetary system would collapse, so we'd be in communism anyway because we'd have to still cooperate and interact with one another. A system of barter would come to place next to the gift economy.

Pantuxia and Ariasteppe

Egohedonia wrote:"The Community of Egohedonia is a fledgling, environmentally stunning nation, remarkable for its public floggings, absence of drug laws, and devotion to social welfare."
wait what

I have that as well. I think you start off with it by default, and have to get a specific issue to ban it.

I've had "remarkable for its frequent executions" since I passed a bill abolishing capitalism a few months ago... even though crime is "totally unknown", there are no prisons, and 0% of deaths are due to capital punishment. I've been waiting for an issue to formally abolish it or something, but I think the 0% crime and death rate is blocking it from appearing. Maybe it's a similar thing to that? Just some vestigial text from an issue long gone by that the NS engine hasn't accounted for because it's such an obscure edge-case lol.

Pantuxia and Sambalandia

Egohedonia wrote: I'm all for anarchist and left unity, as futile as the attempts may seem, but could ancaps ever be a part of that?

Anarchism must strive to become an organic movement, not a club of intellectuals with alliances with other intellectuals. Ancaps are not only ridiculous to the working class, they are also a ultra misguided minority. A serious alternative has no interest to create relations with them.

The eurasian front, Anarchadom, Ariasteppe, and Sambalandia

I would argue that "an"capism isn't even real anarchy, since not all illegitimate hierarchies are abolished under it.

The eurasian front, Irontown ii, Pantuxia, Ariasteppe, and 1 otherSambalandia

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