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*Comes back*

Wow, sprained me ankle and barfed so I got to go home early! I wonder what's happened while I was gone...?

*Sees the world be bathed in the afterglow of thermonuclear war*

>MFW:

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fire_community.gif

This is why we can't have nice things Ainur...

Thalasus

Post self-deleted by Shuanionta.

Nargothond wrote:The Issue is that we need a significant event as Year 0. We can't have the birth of Jesus, so we need something of similar scale.

Why not? Escanthea is firmly Christian, implying that Christianity exists in this universe.

Escanthea wrote:Why not? Escanthea is firmly Christian, implying that Christianity exists in this universe.

Yeah, that was a thing.

Escanthea wrote:Why not? Escanthea is firmly Christian, implying that Christianity exists in this universe.

But there's no reason to believe it's the majority religion of the world. In addition, while Escanthea is Orthodox, Danceria and Nargothond, have both been worshipping the Valar way longer than ''that guy who did that thing with the fishes''. BP has probably been pagano-atheist for a good while and Thassy is probably Catholic. Finally, Femmi probably worships some lava-spewing mountain somehere, which also seems to bust that Christianity rules theory.

I like BP's plan way more. The fall of two stars is a phenomenon that would have been noticed by every major civilization of the time and would have remained in their mythologies for a long time.

Thalasus and Feminamia

I actually have a Pantheon. Had it since Day 1.

Danceria wrote:*Comes back*
Wow, sprained me ankle and barfed so I got to go home early! I wonder what's happened while I was gone...?
*Sees the world be bathed in the afterglow of thermonuclear war*
>MFW:
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fire_community.gif
This is why we can't have nice things Ainur...

Welcome back! I was starting to get worried!

Feminamia

Nargothond wrote:But there's no reason to believe it's the majority religion of the world. In addition, while Escanthea is Orthodox, Danceria and Nargothond, have both been worshipping the Valar way longer than ''that guy who did that thing with the fishes''. BP has probably been pagano-atheist for a good while and Thassy is probably Catholic. Finally, Femmi probably worships some lava-spewing mountain somehere, which also seems to bust that Christianity rules theory.
I like BP's plan way more. The fall of two stars is a phenomenon that would have been noticed by every major civilization of the time and would have remained in their mythologies for a long time.

Psssh, whatever. Stop pushing your pagan nonsense on good, non-pagan states like Thalasus and I

Escanthea wrote:Psssh, whatever. Stop pushing your pagan nonsense on good, non-pagan states like Thalasus and I

You have to admit though, Christianity does borrow a lot of pagan and non-Christian beliefs. For instance, I never knew that the Book of John was referencing to Heraclitus who theorized that the whole universe was governed by a force called "logos", or cross translated to "Word". The rest is history. In fact, a lot of early Christian fathers dabbled in philosophy and local customs.

But don't you worry, you'll have two crusades to establish a steadfast Greek Orthodox hold in northern Danceria.

On the flip side, each of our cultures could have our own calendar (Christian versus Muslim versus Chinese...), while Nargothond may use the Before the Twins and afterwards, Danceria goes full Tolkein and recounts in Ages (Dawn Age is before Nargothondian contact, First Age is first contact, Second is the first uniting of Danceria against said Elves, ect.). Each of us can still use the Twins's disappearance as a memorable day in our respective calendars (as Femiminia states). The more Christian nations may state it as an omen and can conveniently crown the ordinary pig-herder as the king, or burn said pig herder for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or the fall of Angels, Saints, or in Escanthea's case "When Lucifer's eyes shut" (as a majority of both Nargothond and Danceria acknowledged the Twins as being a big deal in their religions, much to the disdain of the Christian communities).

My question is when do the Byzantines arrive on present day Escanthea to whoop Ezkani backside?

Thalasus and Feminamia

All I've determined about this new version of the RP is that Thalasus is gonna sit on a supervolcano.

am i doing factbook right

Feminamia

It's not necessarily pagan nonsense.
Pagans would interpret it as dark gods, but Christians(1) can interpret it as the work of the Devil. Perhaps the flaring of the stars symbolized Christ's birth, which just happened to be around the same time, only to be snuffed out by the Devil looking to suppress knowledge of the birth of the Christ-Child. Escanthean wise men, however, beheld a new, though dimmer, star in the sky (2), and followed it through to the manger, where the Nativity and subsequently the rest of the New Testament happened.
Scientists, on the other hand, recognize the markers of stars going supernova. So that's less exciting. Or maybe more exciting; it really kind of depends on your definition of exciting.
Pentagrians were never much for gods, but have had a long tradition of seeing particular cultural heroes as paragons of particular elements of human nature (which, it should be noted, are not always positive). This has, in recent years, transitioned more towards what we would now consider to be more like idolizing celebrity figures, which is tolerated begrudgingly by those whose privacy is being infringed, due to 'tradition'(4).
The reason we want a common calendar, however, is because even though the Chinese or Jewish or even regnal calendars all have some use, for the most part, everyone just uses the Gregorian Calendar (albeit now generally with 'Common Era' and 'Before Common Era' instead of 'Before Christ' and 'Anno Domini') because everyone can sort of agree on it.
And if people still don't like it, I'll play my previously-argued 'Pentagrian culture is the global culture' card to explain why we're all speaking English and using the Gregorian calendar – because that's what we do, dammit, now buy our blue jeans and listen to our pop songs.

Let's say for ease of comprehension for everyone that real-world religions operate on the same basis as Civ V. For all we know, Protestantism was the first one that popped up, followed first by Mormonism, then Orthodoxy, Coptic Christianity, Catholicism, then a new strain called, idk, Pentacostals, who believe that Jesus was reborn in the body of a seamstress in Palatine on August 3rd 1782 and have been rectally injurious for The Bermudan Pentagram ever since.
An event roughly coincident with the Elves' decision that somebody must have stolen that Silmaril of theirs, ushering in a millenia of religious warfare after an elf overheard the story of the three wise men, because as far as he was concerned, Christian God must have stolen the Silmaril, and was therefore both a thief of Elven culture and a servant of Morgoth, and every other elf was like 'sure, we're tired of beating up these wolf people anyway, let's find us a real fight'. This continued until the 1800s, when everyone involved decided that beating up those Thalasians over there was a better idea, because they didn't even know about Jesus or the Silmaril.
Perhaps best manifesting itself in the infamous Saga of Snorri the Fat, who has, on closer analysis of the text by a panel of historical and literary experts, been conclusively identified as a woolly mammoth. Cultural historians see this as a marker that these supposed heroes were instead venerated as gods early in Pentagrian history, only to be revised into cultural heroes after the largely religiously-motivated rebellions which led to the downfall of the Empire and the fragmentation of Eurssia into the antecedents of its modern states. Truly a marker that historical revisionism has been ongoing for hundreds of years.
The government is seeking to reform this, as Master without Portfolio Bartram Pentos is tired of having people root through his garbage for the modern equivalent of a holy relic.

Feminamia

*yawns* How's everyone today?

Thalasus

Danceria wrote:My question is when do the Byzantines arrive on present day Escanthea to whoop Ezkani backside?

~900s AD

Escanthea wrote:~900s AD

That's dead centre in my Dark Ages. We could probably send some help against your holy crusade.

Feminamia

Naittocs wrote:*yawns* How's everyone today?

~900 AD

Feminamia and Naittocs

And I'm guessing throughout all of this Feminamia is just chilling, looking at the stars, and when two go out, that's like the Tarot equivalent of The Lovers or something or I don't know yadda yadda yadda pseudo religious pagan stuf blah blah blah boom they have a similarish calendar, like the Mayans or whatever.

Nargothond wrote:That's dead centre in my Dark Ages. We could probably send some help against your holy crusade.

Orthodoxy doesn't have crusades. I don't know what you people are talking about.

Escanthea wrote:Orthodoxy doesn't have crusades. I don't know what you people are talking about.

You can be certain there will be orthodox crusades if ever there were a chance of reclaiming a certain City...

Nargothond wrote:You can be certain there will be orthodox crusades if ever there were a chance of reclaiming a certain City...

Constantinople would be in a different dimmension or something though, and in the 900s it was still very much Orthodox. I really don't understand what you're implying.

It's an alternate world. I'm sure we can have some other religion do crusadery things.

Escanthea wrote:Constantinople would be in a different dimmension or something though, and in the 900s it was still very much Orthodox. I really don't understand what you're implying.

I'm saying the only reaso there weren't arthod8x crusades is because there didn't really have to be.

Post self-deleted by Thalasus.

The Nations RP has been purged and my nation just made a version with the Hunger Games except only the fattest teenagers are selected.

Today is a good day.

Feminamia

*Walks in with a bunch of dwarfs* May the power of the arkenstone guide you!

Nargothond wrote:I want a calendar. Could we agree on that as well? I have posted countless times and tried to work out how to do the date without reffering to the birth of a major deiety or whatever.

What do you mean by 'I want a calendar'? That makes absolutely no sense!

If you're wondering, No, I'm not from Ainur, I'm from Europeia fyi!

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