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Thalasus wrote:It's just for fun, throwing some elements of geopolitics into role playing in NS. Sort of like a factbook thing

Yeah. All good RP regions have maps.

Woregono

Sorry I haven't been active, will try to get involved more in the future

Escanthea wrote:We should build an embassy with a polish-themed region

The New Warsaw Pact is a pretty robust region.

Esconthea wrote:The New Warsaw Pact is a pretty robust region.

He's back! *grabs popcorn and bulletproof glass shield*

"7 hours ago: Caliphate of isis ceased to exist."
Good riddance.

Escanthea, Ideals, Silangan, and Malachab

Apparently I've had child ("School-age", as the issue says) soldiers in my military for a long time and my nation has just let me know about them.

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I'm making them specialty guns.

United trade

Thalasus wrote:Apparently I've had child ("School-age", as the issue says) soldiers in my military for a long time and my nation has just let me know about them.

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I'm making them specialty guns.

That's the way to go about it.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:That's the way to go about it.

Hey. Any nation willing to install child/teenager soldiers behind their government's back is certainly not going to be willing to disband them without bloodshed. Might as well sell them effective weapons.

Thalasus wrote:Hey. Any nation willing to install child/teenager soldiers behind their government's back is certainly not going to be willing to disband them without bloodshed. Might as well sell them effective weapons.

That, or you went with the option to induct unwanted newborns into your military, similar to the Bermudan Pentagram's 'Soldier Production from All Rejected Tykes to Advance the Nation' program.
A lot of the general staff just use the SPARTAN acronym.
It certainly sounds fancy, even though it definitely doesn't mean anything.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:That, or you went with the option to induct unwanted newborns into your military, similar to the Bermudan Pentagram's 'Soldier Production from All Rejected Tykes to Advance the Nation' program.
A lot of the general staff just use the SPARTAN acronym.
It certainly sounds fancy, even though it definitely doesn't mean anything.

I did implement that policy earlier. So maybe that's what they were talking about, but they mentioned outraged parents and I assumed they wouldn't be in combat roles until their early teens... Whatever.

The Bermudan Pentagram wrote:That, or you went with the option to induct unwanted newborns into your military, similar to the Bermudan Pentagram's 'Soldier Production from All Rejected Tykes to Advance the Nation' program.
A lot of the general staff just use the SPARTAN acronym.
It certainly sounds fancy, even though it definitely doesn't mean anything.

Escanthea has a SPARTAN IV program that uses adults and is far more effective than your pathetic hippy kid "soldiers"
FLOAT 4 lyfe!

Escanthea wrote:Escanthea has a SPARTAN IV program that uses adults and is far more effective than your pathetic hippy kid "soldiers"
FLOAT 4 lyfe!

Okay, first of all, taking children from orphanages in an institutionalized child soldier program is literally the least hippy thing I can think of. Secondly, having a SPARTAN program only for adults kinda ruins the point of a SPARTAN program.

Esconthea

Does anyone know when the RP signups are gonna be up? If they are up does anyone have the link?

Mrsir227 wrote:Does anyone know when the RP signups are gonna be up? If they are up does anyone have the link?

They're not up yet, but I'll be sure to post a link when they are.

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Escanthea wrote:Escanthea has a SPARTAN IV program that uses adults and is far more effective than your pathetic hippy kid "soldiers"

The point of such a program is that the children are trained, from young, to live and breathe warfare. It promotes unit cohesion, aggression, discipline, and tactical acumen, and allows for much higher degrees of specialization and training than a force recruited from adults.
Moreover, learning is centralized, meaning the same ethics are taught, the same values are espoused, and the same standards of physical training are imposed.
It's the most practical, if least ethical, means of waging warfare, particularly since none of the ethical concerns or fears concerning NBRE weaponry are taught to the SPARTANs.

I will note that I understand where you're coming from, insofar as you're saying that since adults are physically more adept than children, your fighting forces will be superior; they can march longer, carry more, and generally physically outclass child soldiers.
You are, however, neglecting the fact that this is an era of force multipliers; how hard and fast you can swing a sword no longer correlates to the amount of damage you can do to an opposing force. Smaller operatives are actually a boon, since space within jets, tanks, and other vehicles can be restricted to bare minimums, lowering the profile and thus the odds of being hit, and allowing for such things as increased sloping on tank chassis, which does much more to promote survivability than simply adding more armor plating. Moreover, they are more able to maintain their equipment, since they can reach smaller areas.
Infantry are no longer the primary tools of waging war; they are the tools by which you hold ground. Materiel, in the form of tanks, IFVs, fighters, bombers, artillery, missiles, and, if necessary, WMDs, are the tools by which you break an opposing force.
Moreover, it's not like we throw these people away once they become adults. The end goal is adult soldiers; child soldiers are simply the larval stage before your final product, except for the fact that, having been trained since birth, they're not merely a drain on resources, but are combat-effective as well.

Escanthea wrote:FLOAT 4 lyfe!

In addition, The Bermudan Pentagram remains avowedly neutral regarding any alliances of mutual defense in the region.
We will happily take your money and sell our weapons, technology, and tours of our lovely nation, but we will not be drawn into either FLOAT nor ADDO.
Moreover, we defer to the regional leadership represented by the various stripes of Telcontars in order to mediate any differences between said blocs.

Thalasus wrote:He's back! *grabs popcorn and bulletproof glass shield*

pew! pew! pewpew!

Thalasus

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Thalasus wrote:Okay, first of all, taking children from orphanages in an institutionalized child soldier program is literally the least hippy thing I can think of. Secondly, having a SPARTAN program only for adults kinda ruins the point of a SPARTAN program.

We use children as bait and shields. So there :P

While I agree with most of the Pentagram's analysis, I must mention a few things. First, Thalasus' armed forces are not exclusively comprised of children as Pentagram's analysis may have implied, nor are they by any measure the majority of the fighting force. The Thalasus SPARTAN program was created by a Military Industrial Corporation sponsored addendum to a larger welfare program which was meant to deal with a large orphan problem after Hurricane Calypso (1996) and subsequent disasters left a portion of Thalasus' children without any parents or guardians who were able to take care of them. The bill expires in 2020. While the vast majority ( >83%) of these orphans were put in foster homes and orphanages, the addendum legally allowed the Thalasian Navy, Marines, and Air Force to take candidates which they considered to be physically and mentally capable from orphanages and introduce them as elite soldiers-in-training into the armed forces via the SPARTAN program. And they did so, introducing 900 marines, 446 sailors, and 130 airmen who were between the ages of 9 and 15, and at their peak SPARTANs comprised barely 1% of total personnel. The program has since declined rapidly; there were only 12 children inducted into the SPARTAN program in 2014, and it is expected that there will be even less this year.
However, military usefulness for SPARTANs in active combat roles has been severely limited due to both civilian and military response to the program and by the very nature of using children in combat. In 2003, an entire Air Force squadron threatened to ditch their planes over a neighboring nation and desert if SPARTANs continued to be assigned as gunners and pilots, citing the fact that having children serve with adults ruins unit cohesion as well as citing moral and religious reasons. The Air Force brass and then-President Alfred Jacinto made concessions, and the SPARTAN program has since been discontinued for combat roles in the Air Force, leaving the children in maintenance, supply, training, and low-level communication positions. In the Navy, SPARTANs technically are still in combat roles and serve aboard ships as gunners and drone pilots, but due to personnel strikes and command intervention they also primarily serve in non-combat roles while they are in training.
In the Marines, however, the SPARTANs are considered important combat assets, on account of their speed, small size, ability to occasionally boost morale and, when they are adults, their experience. Despite both civilian and command protest, SPARTANS in the Thalasian Marines are here to stay.

Also, I hope you're good at swimming, 'cause ADDO's gonna sink your FLOATs.

https://youtu.be/InBXu-iY7cw?list=RDInBXu-iY7cw

Good morning, Ainur.

Morning Malachab! How are you today?

Malachab

The hunnish nations

Military training in the Hunnish Nations starts in the womb.

Thalasus wrote:snip

Oh, no, the majority of the analysis was concerning Pentagrian troop dispositions; about 70% of the Bermudan Pentagram's forces are from the various phases of the SPARTAN program, which has been ongoing since the '60s, with only minimal outcry, since the children taken would otherwise have been aborted or abandoned anyway, and the mothers received a 'finders fee' for their role in aiding recruitment. The Bermudan Pentagram does not believe in conscription of citizens, which is constitutionally safe, since SPARTANs are not citizens, nor do they receive citizenship until they muster out. This occurs theoretically at age 50, but for the most part has happened in practice due to medical disability.
Volunteers mostly serve in units separate from SPARTANs, though senior officer and NCO roles are filled solely by volunteers, as SPARTANs, apart from the experimental Phase 1 candidates, are only trained for the tactical, not strategic, environment, which makes them relatively ineffective in non-field roles. It can be noted that 3 of the 7 Generals heading the War Department are Phase 1 SPARTANs; however, training of that sort was deemed too expensive and time consuming, even for the fairly liberal budgets the War Department has available, except for those designated for Special Forces and Special Weapons, both departments which are exclusively made up of SPARTANs, including the entirety of the officer and NCO corps.
SPARTAN youths (lasting until age 14, after which the hormone supplements have created what are effectively adults in 99.78% of all cases), like females in most militaries, are generally restricted from front-line combat, though those with the suitable MOS serve as pilots, gunners, drivers, and various other roles that could theoretically involve contact. The ones who have been assigned a generically 'infantry' MOS are held back, largely due to the increased training requirements needed to operate combat exoskeletons, which are themselves being phased out in favor of powered armor.

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