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NationWA CategoryMotto
31.The Cooperative Socialist Unions of TaakLeft-wing Utopia“All power to the proletariat!”
32.The Forbidden Planet of BURNINATI0NLeft-wing Utopia“You have nothing to lose but your chains.”
33.The Fash Bashers of AarnoniaLeft-wing Utopia“Equality, freedom and the people!”
34.The United Socialist States of VarhusLiberal Democratic Socialists“Live by the Waffle, Die by the Waffle”
35.The Socialist Federal Republic of LaandLeft-wing Utopia“All Power to the Imagination!”
36.The Socialist Republic of Kwa-ZululandLeft-wing Utopia“Worker's of the World, Unite!”
37.The Communist Society of LiberabsolvoLeft-wing Utopia“Vir Dehibitus Habere Libertas”
38.The Free Land of BeloliLeft-wing Utopia“Just people”
39.The Dying State of Socialist Soviet Republic Rhine-HesseDemocratic Socialists“Our wisdom shall grow like our grapevine”
40.The People's Republic of TarnaniaLiberal Democratic Socialists“Leftist Progression Marches On”
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The Exclave of Lemurian Outpost wrote:Seems like one of those things I'll save myself the bother of actually looking into.


Good call.

Be wary of anything that labels itself "post-x". If it really was "post" then it would not need to define itself in relation to that which it supersedes - it would establish an identity all its own.

Lemurian Outpost and The Free Presleytarian State

The Workers' State of Zulanka in TI wrote:Kautsky was pretty critical of the Bolsheviks early on, exchanging several polemics with Lenin and Trotsky. Lenin's The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky was written while Luxemburg was still around for example.
"Anarcho"-capitalists really don't do anything outside of the internet thankfully. "Anarcho"-nationalists don't seem as annoying or numerous on the internet, but they actually have some on the ground presence and have tried to co-opt various anarchist protests in the past.
Post-leftists have actually died down somewhat in the past couple of years. Groups like Crimethinc who NST mentioned were pretty big in propagating post-leftism in the 00's but have lost a lot of popularity. It's hard to say if this is due to the reemergence of class-based politics lately, the harsh criticism they faced across the left, or the success and subsequent explosion of interest in democratic confederalism/libertarian municipalism as a result of Rojava (a huge middle finger to post-left folks like Bob Black who hate Bookchin more than pretty much anyone).

Indeed. I find however that Kautsky was waging a criticism by more of a political standpoint while Luxemburg from a more revolutionary standpoint. It would be interesting to see how her opinion of the Bolsheviks would change in the years after the Civil War and the rise of Stalin.

Thankfully. It surprises me, however, that "anarcho"-nationalists are the ones with some ground presence. Although, this is evidence that the Internet can be deceiving.

The world has changed since the early 00's, that's for sure. Rojava must have come as a great surprise to them. Even Bookchin would be surprised by Rojava. The proponents of post-leftism do come across as kind of bigots and arrogant, especially to leftists, from what I have seen of them.

Regarding Rojava, it will be interesting to see how their relations with the Syrian regime and Russia will change after the events of the last week. Even though the current conflict has ended, tensions are still high. How Turkey will respond, especially after their declaration that they will be more involved in Syria will also be extremely important for Rojava.

Freien

The United Socialist States of Kropotkinsky wrote:Some of the effects that the issues have are completely baffling... how does paid maternity leave make public healthcare and welfare go DOWN?


Because people who make the issues are sometimes clueless to the consequences of various programs and events, and may even have a bias to MAKE the choice look bad. For one, social programs may be given a more negative spin by reactionaries or capitalists.

Pensalum, The Free Presleytarian State, Kurdish Gulf, Zealia Nova, and 1 otherKropotkinsky

The Workers' State of Zulanka in TI wrote:I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe the comrade you're responding to is a Trotskyist. Even then, this is not just an ML thing; Trots, Maoists, many (most?) left communists, even Marxists often thought as "libertarian" like Rosa Luxemburg all see or saw a critical importance in the revolutionary party. Since Makhno was mentioned, considering him even anarchists talk about the necessity of organizational discipline. The only Marxists I can think of that don't are council communists, those building on the council communist tradition like the Situationists and assorted academic Marxists, and heterodox Marxists like autonomists (sometimes they don't consider themselves Marxists, rather, Marxian). All of these "anti-partyist" Marxist tendencies are and have been extreme minorities within Marxism.

For me, most of the marxist tendencies descent from marxism-leninism: Trotskyism, Maoism... What I meant is that the importance of the revolutionary party comes from after Marx, it is not original marxism, it is something that appeared after it. I understand the importance of the revolutionary party, what I can't understand is the importance after the revolution. Of course it is necessary an organizational discipline, the unions are organizations. The only marxists that I don't consider leninist are council communism, situationism, austromarxism, DeLeonism, Analytical marxism, autonomism, post-marxism and luxembourgism.

The Workers' State of Zulanka in TI wrote:Apologies for responding to you again, I don't mean to come off like I'm picking on you. But this understanding of historical materialism is absolutely wrong, and an often repeated vulgarism that seeks to caricature Marxism as semi-religious. In a similar manner, Hegel faced conservatives whose misinterpretations of his dialectic persist even today. Socialism is not at all inevitable; as Luxemburg said (paraphrasing Engels), we can look forward to "Socialism or regression into Barbarism" (https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1915/junius/ch01.htm).
I feel like I've brought up this letter from Marx many times here in TI and its other iterations, but I'll post it again because Marx is precisely addressing those who misinterpret historical materialism in it: https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ni/vol01/no04/marx.htm. My favorite quote comes from the ending, with Marx saying "one will never succeed with the master-key of a historico-philosophical theory whose supreme virtue consists in being supra-historical."
To be fair to you, there have been some Marxists (besides simply uneducated Marxists) that I'd agree approach a deterministic outlook and some rhetoric from Marx earlier in his life can point in that direction. The Analytical Marxist tradition has had folks like G. A. Cohen who openly take an economic determinist approach and left communists like Bordiga treated Marxism as a doctrine that is "monolithic, and invariable, to which we are all subordinated and bound." To be clear, as with the "anti-partyists" mentioned in my previous post, these are heterodox views not held by the vast majority of Marxists, and in the case of Bordiga's rigid interpretation of Marxism, pretty much the antithesis of how I view Marxism.

I know that marxism is not religious, but I know people who think that what Marx said is somehow is inquestionable, the marxists in my city are very heterodox even though they are leninist (remember what I said about what one of them called me when he found that I was a council communist). However, how do we have to interpret historical materialism, as a metaphor? And I already said that other people could give him a less-biased explanation (and it could be better if I were using spanish instead of english).

The Federal Socialist Republic of Asturies-Llion wrote:For me, most of the marxist tendencies descent from marxism-leninism: Trotskyism, Maoism... What I meant is that the importance of the revolutionary party comes from after Marx, it is not original marxism, it is something that appeared after it. I understand the importance of the revolutionary party, what I can't understand is the importance after the revolution. Of course it is necessary an organizational discipline, the unions are organizations. The only marxists that I don't consider leninist are council communism, situationism, austromarxism, DeLeonism, Analytical marxism, autonomism, post-marxism and luxembourgism.
I know that marxism is not religious, but I know people who think that what Marx said is somehow is inquestionable, the marxists in my city are very heterodox even though they are leninist (remember what I said about what one of them called me when he found that I was a council communist). However, how do we have to interpret historical materialism, as a metaphor? And I already said that other people could give him a less-biased explanation (and it could be better if I were using spanish instead of english).

Sorry, I meant orthodox, not heterodox XD
And sorry if I seemed too harsh.

Well, now the YPG are threatened to retreat back over the Euphrates River due to Turkish-US pressure, effectively leaving Manjib, which they fought for, to other parts of the SDF.
I wonder how longer it will be before they are left completely on their own. Probably not long. I hope that they have a backup plan and that they had planned for this, in some way.

The Revolutionary Communes of World Anarchic Union wrote:Well, now the YPG are threatened to retreat back over the Euphrates River due to Turkish-US pressure, effectively leaving Manjib, which they fought for, to other parts of the SDF.
I wonder how longer it will be before they are left completely on their own. Probably not long. I hope that they have a backup plan and that they had planned for this, in some way.

Whether they've planned for this or not, I don't see them lasting very long on their own.

Galitania

The Commonwealth of Chartist Socialist Republics II wrote:Whether they've planned for this or not, I don't see them lasting very long on their own.

They can last on their own, they did that before the Americans helped them and now are more organized and I believe have more people on their side. They will not be able to take more areas from ISIS and other Islamist groups, however. They will have to be much more defensive. And if Turkey decides to attack them fully, they will be destroyed. If ISIS decides to draw all their attention towards them, they will have a much bigger problem than they would have two months ago. Only time will tell what will happen, though.

Kurdish Gulf, Galitania, and Freien

The Revolutionary Communes of World Anarchic Union wrote:Well, now the YPG are threatened to retreat back over the Euphrates River due to Turkish-US pressure, effectively leaving Manjib, which they fought for, to other parts of the SDF.
I wonder how longer it will be before they are left completely on their own. Probably not long. I hope that they have a backup plan and that they had planned for this, in some way.

I just find it interesting that turkish and americans are deciding where the YPG can go in syrian territory.
Without american support the YPG would deteriorate, at least in the amount of arms they have, much of the YPG is volunteers though so i doubt their current numbers would be affected much.

The Revolutionary Communes of World Anarchic Union wrote:They can last on their own, they did that before the Americans helped them and now are more organized and I believe have more people on their side. They will not be able to take more areas from ISIS and other Islamist groups, however. They will have to be much more defensive. And if Turkey decides to attack them fully, they will be destroyed. If ISIS decides to draw all their attention towards them, they will have a much bigger problem than they would have two months ago. Only time will tell what will happen, though.

That's what I meant-though I should have been more specific. If the US withdraws it's support-which it will do almost certainly eventually unless it can co-opt the movement-then Rojava has no chance.

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