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Welcome to Libertarian! Here, you will find a region where free and open discussion is the order of the day and your right to swing your fist ends at someone else's nose.

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Embassies: Laissez Faireholm, Pro Choice, New Brannack, Anti Authoritarian Alliance, Capitalist Libertarian Freedom Region, The Union of Capitalist Meritocracies, The Atlas Federation, The Mystical Council, My Pants, Capitalist Paradise, The rise of rome, Dyemis, United States of America, Benevolent Capitalism, Galts Gulch, The Hyatt Islands, and 3 others.Libertarian Capitalist Zone 716, Conservative League, and Ozymandian Empire.

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Libertarian contains 47 nations, the 233rd most in the world.

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The Most Pacifist in libertarian

Nations ranked highly pursue diplomatic solutions rather than military ones in the international arena, have small or nonexistent militaries, and peace-loving citizens.

As a region, libertarian is ranked 14,713th in the world for Most Pacifist.

#NationWA CategoryMotto
41.The Amerikanisches Reich of ThinkPadsNew York Times Democracy“Rebellis ut tyrannus est obsequium ut Deus”
42.The Libertarian Kingdom of FreiseWA MemberLeft-Leaning College State“Come and take it”
43.The New United States of JordtopiaInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Una Natio sub Deo Libertateque”
44.The Confederacy of Libertarian PhilippinesCapitalizt“Kalayaan, Kaunlaran, Kapayapaan!”
45.The Matriarchy of New ChelelCapitalizt“In Sharess We Trust”
46.The Empire of SnifkowolandBenevolent Dictatorship“You Will Respect My Authoritah!”
47.The Armed Republic of NotonthemapistanCorporate Bordello“Democracy= 51 beats 49 that's why own a .45”
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Hmmmm, the 'No Sell' approach :P

I'd defer to the longer term residents on this.

I don't see a problem with joining the Interregional Council. As he says, no disadvantages to doing so.

Yeah, I'm all for having as many allies as possible should we need to be liberated again.


The Individualist Federation of The New Sea Territory wrote:Individualist anarchism and pacifism are totally monstrous.

You'd be surprised.

Theoretical pacifism is okay, but in practice it means to force people to disarm, so they can be murdered.
Leftist Pacifist are invariably okay with police having weapons to enforce leftist laws on disarmed right.

Always, invariably, while talking with leftist anarchist, when I ask them a question:
"Would you accept existence of voluntary community where capitalism is practised?"
The answer is no.
Doesn't matter that such anarcho-capitalist community would not force itself upon others, or be on other side of planet, not bothering anyone. They would not tolerate its existence.

Usually because of one of two reasons: "Property is theft" or "wages are slavery".
As far as leftist anarchists care: If you own land, you are stealing it from humanity. If you hire someone to do work, you are making him his slave.

There can no peaceful coexistence with left. I would not care that some city decides to have no money and no private property on its territory, trying to be some sort of hippie paradise. I would be happy to leave them alone in peace, but its they who want to destroy us. So we have to destroy them first.

The Empire of Snifkowoland wrote:
There can no peaceful coexistence with left. I would not care that some city decides to have no money and no private property on its territory, trying to be some sort of hippie paradise. I would be happy to leave them alone in peace, but its they who want to destroy us. So we have to destroy them first.

Destroy them how?

The Amerikanisches Reich of ThinkPads wrote:Destroy them how?

Preferably with guns, but in pitch, knives and rocks would do.

You don't see this as raising ethical complications?

It was the great contribution of Ludwig Von Mises to show that it does not matter if everyone is a saint - large scale socialism (either of the Nazi or the Marxist type) does not work, it can never equal allowing people to use their private property in the means of production as they want to - via voluntary supply and demand.

See "Socialism", "Omnipotent Government", and "Human Action" (all by Ludwig Von Mises).

Neither the Nazi type of socialism (nominal private ownership - but the state controls everything the businessman does, turning him into a "shop manager") or the Marxist type of socialism (open collective ownership) can equal capitalism - it is not possible (repeat - not possible) for them to do so. Even if everyone is a saint.

As for Robert Owen style communes - they failed also (not because the people were bad - but because the idea is wrong). Some of the craftsmen from a failed Owenite community helped found the capitalist city of Dallas.

In Israel the proportion of Jews who choose to live communally was about 5% (fiver per cent) of the total. And this was before the government subsidies were ended in the 1970s - when they were ended, many of the communal living experiments collapsed.

Of course monks and nuns live communally - but a large scale modern nation can not be organised as if it was a monastery or commune (or a series of them).

Neither socialism or syndicalism can equal free enterprise - again see Ludwig Von Mises for why this is so.

Alternate Universe 912, Freise, and Snifkowoland

The Amerikanisches Reich of ThinkPads wrote:You don't see this as raising ethical complications?

What ethical complications!?
If someone tries to kill or rob you, you have every right to defend yourself.
If some "anarcho-syndicalist" or other socialist wants to invade your voluntary anarcho-capitalist society to steal your property (or as he would say, to "liberate it"), why shouldn't you defend yourself to the point of violence?
If someone comes to you and openly, repeatedly says: "I am gonna attack your home, rob you, and if you resist, I'll kill you or throw you to re-education camp, you filthy bourgeois exploiter", you don't wait until he does it. You bash his head in right now. He made his intentions clear, now he takes responsibility for them.
Don't freaking apologise for not wanting to be murdered or enslaved. Or would you actually allow them to slice your throat, rather that being accused of being "reactionary"?

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