Libertarian RMB

WA Delegate: The Constitutional Republic of Alternate Universe 912 (elected 42 days ago)

Founder: Whipjangle

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Welcome to Libertarian. All are welcome here and friendly debate and discussion is encouraged.

Visit a region where you can gain the benefit of a small group of like minded players, but with no other restrictions, where your rights end at the tip of the other guy's nose and where smaller government is better government, and no government (aside from national defense and regional dispute resolution) is best of all.

Tags: Featured, Libertarian, Medium, and Founderless.

Regional Power: Moderate

Libertarian contains 31 nations, the 380th most in the world.

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The Most Primitive in libertarian

Nations were ranked by World Census officials based on the number of natural phenomena attributed solely to the unknowable will of the gods.

As a region, libertarian is ranked 15,573rd in the world for Most Primitive.

#NationWA CategoryMotto
21.The Most Serene Republic of UmwahwahWA MemberCorporate Bordello“Tu Ne Cede Malis”
22.The Republic of HUFSWA MemberLiberal Democratic Socialists“Veritas, Pax, Creatio”
23.The Empire of SnifkowolandBenevolent Dictatorship“You Will Respect My Authoritah!”
24.The OBNOXIOUS BARKING DOG of Libertarian ChaosAnarchy“Anti-State, Anti-War, Pro-Market”
25.The Blablabla of AnarchystWA MemberLeft-wing Utopia“Where there is authority, there is no freedom”
26.The Confederacy of Libertarian PhilippinesCorporate Bordello“Kalayaan, Kaunlaran, Kapayapaan!”
27.The Matriarchy of New ChelelCapitalizt“In Sharess We Trust”
28.The Libertarian Kingdom of FreiseInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Come and take it”
29.The Constitutional Republic of Alternate Universe 912WA MemberAnarchy“From many, one more”
30.The New United States of JordtopiaInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Una Natio sub Deo Libertateque”
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The Democratic Republic of Dei Terrare wrote:The World Factbook for our region needs some renovation.

What should it say?

The Democratic Republic of Dei Terrare wrote:And about the regional defense, who leads it?

I don't know that we have an official defense or leader. It was Whipjangle, but they're gone now.

Anyone here agree with me that Libertarianism is more than just a political philosophy? Specifically, I believe that libertarianism has spiritual implications. The individual is sovereign in all spiritual matters because God lives inside of us. What I am saying I guess is that no creed, organized religion, religious authority, or doctrine has the right to interfere with an individual's interpretation of scripture, faith, or religious practice. And furthermore, this is upheld by the Divine Authority because God lives within. It's something that I have thought about for a long time now. And the more I think about it, I seem to approach politics and religion the same way in taking the position that the individual is the highest authority.

I know it's always tricky business tying religion and politics together but does anyone feel the same?

Freise

The Republic of Eastern Forestavia wrote:Anyone here agree with me that Libertarianism is more than just a political philosophy? Specifically, I believe that libertarianism has spiritual implications. The individual is sovereign in all spiritual matters because God lives inside of us. What I am saying I guess is that no creed, organized religion, religious authority, or doctrine has the right to interfere with an individual's interpretation of scripture, faith, or religious practice. And furthermore, this is upheld by the Divine Authority because God lives within. It's something that I have thought about for a long time now. And the more I think about it, I seem to approach politics and religion the same way in taking the position that the individual is the highest authority.

I know it's always tricky business tying religion and politics together but does anyone feel the same?


Your assertion certainly applies to me. I consider myself to be agnostic, but spiritual nonetheless. I've studied Judeo-Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, and various other religious texts. But I cannot ascribe to any religious following; I feel like all of the major religious organizations fail to realize the teachings they follow. At the same time, I don't go around denouncing peoples' faith, because I feel my own convictions apply only to me.

The Democratic Republic of Dei Terrare wrote:And about the regional defense, who leads it?

The Constitutional Republic of Alternate Universe 912 wrote:I don't know that we have an official defense or leader. It was Whipjangle, but they're gone now.

We don't really have any organized defense. This was always just a region where nations were left to their own, and the RMB was a place for various discussions. Never had any kind of regional gubberment, and the people here aren't into the raiding/defending gameplay. Now we could continue on as we have, or we could attempt to refound the region. This can be dangerous, but if successful, would end the capability of raiders attacking our region.

I don't think we need to refound the region. The Black Raiders came in, got bored, and left, and no one else has bothered us in years.

The Libertarian Kingdom of Freise wrote:


Your assertion certainly applies to me. I consider myself to be agnostic, but spiritual nonetheless. I've studied Judeo-Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, and various other religious texts. But I cannot ascribe to any religious following; I feel like all of the major religious organizations fail to realize the teachings they follow. At the same time, I don't go around denouncing peoples' faith, because I feel my own convictions apply only to me.


My experience has been very similar. It's good to know there are other people like me out there. I'm more or less a mystic who doesn't really like labels. I guess if I had to pick some I would pick Panentheist, Christian, and Buddhist. I have always been suspicious of organized religion because of its authoritarian nature, though.

The Republic of Eastern Forestavia wrote:Anyone here agree with me that Libertarianism is more than just a political philosophy?

I think a lot of libertarian-leaning people feel something along these lines.

Stephan Molyneux, an atheist, sees libertarianism (or more specifically, Anarco-Capitalism) as an ethical system. Simply put, it's the belief that having a vote, badge, or elected office does not excuse actions that would be clearly immoral without such things. Alfonzo Rachel, a Christian, believes that Christ asks us to act out of love rather than hate. Thus it's OK to kill enemies in order to save a family member, because one is doing it out of love for the family member, but it's not OK to harm or coerce others out of hate, envy, etc., no matter how sinful they are.

Personally, this is something I've struggled with because I grew up in a "TradCon" (traditional conservative values but not fundamentalist) family, my mother still rejects "strong libertarianism" (e.g., cut government by 75%+ rather than 20%+) as immoral, and many atheist libertarians and anarchists regard the idea of being a spiritual libertarian as highly illogical at best. But I've come to see spirituality and politics as very compatible in the last few years.

The Constitutional Republic of Alternate Universe 912 wrote:I think a lot of libertarian-leaning people feel something along these lines.

Stephan Molyneux, an atheist, sees libertarianism (or more specifically, Anarco-Capitalism) as an ethical system. Simply put, it's the belief that having a vote, badge, or elected office does not excuse actions that would be clearly immoral without such things. Alfonzo Rachel, a Christian, believes that Christ asks us to act out of love rather than hate. Thus it's OK to kill enemies in order to save a family member, because one is doing it out of love for the family member, but it's not OK to harm or coerce others out of hate, envy, etc., no matter how sinful they are.

Personally, this is something I've struggled with because I grew up in a "TradCon" (traditional conservative values but not fundamentalist) family, my mother still rejects "strong libertarianism" (e.g., cut government by 75%+ rather than 20%+) as immoral, and many atheist libertarians and anarchists regard the idea of being a spiritual libertarian as highly illogical at best. But I've come to see spirituality and politics as very compatible in the last few years.


That's really interesting. I can see those connections as well. Viewing libertarianism as both an ethical system and as a duty to "act out of love". Capitalism is such a great thing because it actually encourages us to act out of love by simply providing services and goods that others need and/or want while we earn a living at it.

Yeah, I used to think politics and spirituality were totally different animals until I got into this libertarian thing a few years ago. They really do compliment each other.

I'll come back soon. I have some ambassador duties to attend to.

Eastern Forestavia - most modern philosophers are determinists. They believe that everything is predetermined by a series of causes and effects going back to the Big Bang. Some of these determinist philosophers try and combine determinism with free will (moral responsibility for our actions) - but even Kant (hardly popular with Randian Objectivists and other pro liberty people) openly stated that compatibism is nonsense - either we make real choices or we do not. It is free will or determinism - NOT both. But if we do make real choices (if determinism is false) HOW do we do this - what is the "I" that makes these real choices? Appealing to randomness does not help - because choice is NOT randomness, choice is itself (it can not be reduced to something else). Agency (the reasoning "I") either exists - or libertarianism (political as well as philosophical) is nonsense. But what is the "I"? Randian Objectivists (and some others) say that liberty (free will - agency) is perfectly compatible with materialism - but some of us wonder if it does not at least imply the existence of the soul.

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