WA Delegate (non-executive): The Lovely Happy Jewish Republic of Sea Dolphin Lovers (elected 54 days ago)
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Construction of embassies with The Slavic Union has commenced. Completion expected in 1 day 4 hours.
Regional Power: Moderate
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|21.||The Commonwealth of The Herbshirian Ambassador to Israel II||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“The Herbshirian Ambassador To Israel”|
|22.||The People's Republic of Israel Ambassador||Iron Fist Consumerists||“Ambassador from the CSSR”|
|23.||The Mamlekhet of Qadoshalam||Father Knows Best State||“Respect the Achievements of our Forefathers”|
|24.||The State of Turkestanic Union||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“נ נח נחמ נחמן מאומן Na Nach Nachma Nachman Me'Uman”|
|25.||The Sivanian Representative of Israel Hadash||Inoffensive Centrist Democracy||“תחי האימפריה ”|
|26.||The Kingdom of Judah||Iron Fist Consumerists||“השם גדול”|
|27.||The Radical Republic of Homeland Defenders||New York Times Democracy||“United we stand, divided we fall”|
|28.||The Lovely Happy Jewish Republic of Sea Dolphin Lovers||Civil Rights Lovefest||“Thanks for the fish, man.”|
|29.||The Jewish State of Great Israel||Democratic Socialists||“God's Chosen People”|
|30.||The Jewish Democratic Republic of Alkzine||Civil Rights Lovefest||“.ואהבת את ה אלקך בכל לבבך, ובכל נפשך, ובכל מאדך”|
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Israel Regional Message Board
If there is a Palestinian state in the West Bank, what if it allies with other Arab states and attacks Israel? That is what has been happening since 1949.
Alkzine - respectfully, I am appalled by this statement. I lean to the left, support the 2-States-for-2-Peoples solution, and do not condone of The Radical Republic of Homeland Defenders's views, but settlements are no more a "mistreatment to human rights" than Tel Aviv or Be'er Sheva. Your basic conceptions are wrong. This is our land. Our ancestral homeland. Just as you living in your home is not a "mistreatment to human rights," although it prevents homeless persons from living there - the settlements per se are not a "mistreatment to human rights." Unfotunately, some extreme right-wing individual settlers do violate human rights from time to time, but it's not settlements per se but them being criminals (who should be jailed).
IMHO, You all look at it from the wrong perspective. You should look at the whole issue from a pragmatic POV. Looking at it from a "rights" perspective will get you nowhere, because the national narratives of the two peoples are so different, that both see the whole land as their own. This land is ours. All of it. However, there's another people here that thinks exactly the same, and they really believe it. Therefore, "ויחלוקו". (sorry for the Hebrew, but the full meaning might get lost in translation...
Not all the settlements are "born equal". There's no comparison between "Alon Mor'e" or "Efrath", for example, and "Migron" or "Havat Gilead". In the last stage of an agreed-upon solution, some settlements should be annexed to Israel, but the separated, small and illegally-built private settlements must be evacuated.
time for a new WA election?
I agree my statement was incorrect. I'll rephrase it: Private settlements, like the ones you referred to, are a gross mistreatment of human rights. In fact, all settlements built with a brutish, "We're here because this is our land" attitude are immoral. However, settlements containing people who have moved there because of rising house prices and overpopulation are not immoral. I don't believe them to be ideal, but look at Gaza--we left and see what happened. I also support (to an extent) Charedi settlements such as Beitar Illit, but again not those with the "you can get up and get out attitude".
Additionally, the problem I see to settlement is not that it creates a housing shortage for Palestinians, but that it disrupts the way of life Palestinians have had for a long time. The Arabs living in the West Bank today probably arrived in Israel around 500 years after the destruction of the 2nd Bet Hamikdash, so yes we've been there longer, but that doesn't mean the Arabs, which now that the different countries have split are known as 'Jordanians' or 'Egyptians' or 'Syrians' or 'Palestinians', have been there for a quite a bit. It's not right to come in now and build a town that disrupts the Palestinians. Because of the disgusting terrorists like Chamas, military checkpoints are also necessary. It cannot be denied that they are disruptive.
There hasn't been, and I don't see why we should have, an official WA election in this region. We leave it to game-based mechanism. I.e., you may endorse whoever you like, and whoever gets the most endorsements at each specific time gets to be delegate. The delegate doesn't have administrative powers, so it really doesn't matter much. Good luck.
Get your facts straight, instead of echoing the Palestinian Myth. First, the vast majority of Palestinian Arabs emigrated or were forcefully moved to Eretz Yisrael during the Ottoman period, many of whom, actually, at the end of the Ottoman empire.
Second, "it disrupts the way of life Palestinians have had for a long time"?!? What are you talking about? As lately as 1967 the Palestinians were a failed society. Palestinian lives were DRAMATICALLY improved by the settlement activity. Without it, many would have no jobs. Without it, many of the roads and other infrastructure they use would not have been built. Look how the Egyptians and the Jordanians treated Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and Judea&Samaria during the period between 1949-1967. Look how the Lebanese treat the Palestinian refugees. Look how the Syrians do.
Sorry to say that, but you live in a fantasy-world created by Arab-Palestinian-Leftist propaganda. This is the Middle East we're living in.
Spot on !
To say that settlement is helpful is an outright lie. How would you feel if the land beyond your garden fence suddenly belonged to someone else; if you then had to live with checkpoints whenever you want to live your town/suburb/district of your city; if you had to take a different route to school/work; and if near your home there are people with guns, while you're not allowed one?
First and foremost, we try to talk converse calmly and politely here. If it weren't me you called a liar I would have suppressed your message, but I don't want to abuse my powers. So kindly calm down. There's a way to tell people you humbly think their facts are incorrect, and that wasn't one of them.
Second, the checkpoints are indeed an annoyance. However, you seem to be a bit confused as for the reason for them. They are not the result of settlement activity, but of terrorism. Had there been no terrorism there would be no checkpoints. Israelis do not enjoy being posted in those checkpoints. On the other hand, even if there were not a single settlement, but the Palestinians would continue their murderous activity - there would still be a need for checkpoints. The Palestinians have only themselves to blame for the security measures Israel takes to protect its citizens.
Third, "how would (I) feel if the land beyond (my) garden fence suddenly belonged to someone else?" Well, if that land belonged to them, then so be it. It's none of my business who owns a land that is not mine. But I'll tell you this: If I lived in a middle-ages kind of society, and that new neighbor suddenly gave me work, built roads, gave me electricity, built my universities, kept the peace and protected me from criminals who used to be my friends - I would thank them.
Now, as a matter of logic, don't confuse the political and the national with the everyday life. And don't confuse the settlements with the fact that Israel is now the sovereign there. These are separate things. But do you know how many Palestinians have a job thanks to the settlements? Do you know how many of them have electricity just because there's a settlement nearby? Do you know how many have roads just because there's a settlement nearby?
If you compare the life of Palestinians before the settlement activity started to today, you would find that it has dramatically improved. So no, mister. This is not a lie. Again, don't confuse their national aspirations with their everyday life, and don't tie the security measures to the settlements but to the heinous crimes that the Palestinian terrorists commit.
Both sides are wrong, Palestinian fires rocket at Israel, but Israel has Iron dome.
Israel fires back with twice as much rockets and actually kills people, where as the Palestinian hardly every kill anyone.