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Still, doesn't same sex marriage conflict with the Bible? Just saying, but that's odd for churches which worship God to conflict with the Bible...

The Queendom of Castle Crashers wrote:Still, doesn't same sex marriage conflict with the Bible? Just saying, but that's odd for churches which worship God to conflict with the Bible...

Oh, definitely. And yeah, it would (then again, depends on the definition of a 'church'); I'm just saying it's way more the churches place to say what marriage is for their members than for the government to decide what marriage is.

I hope that makes sense :)

A point of contention, perhaps, but not a conflict. It's uncertain whether the Biblical admonitions of homosexuality were meant to discourage the horribly repulsive acts that were common among homosexuals in that day, or just 'sexual deviation' in general.

In any case, governments are highly unlikely to loosen their grip on the cultural practice they stole from the devout - that is why I think this issue of same-sex marriage should at least be decided on a state-by-state basis, so that at least the federal government doesn't get to keep their stolen ritual.

The Philosopher and Philosophy of Conservative Idealism wrote:A point of contention, perhaps, but not a conflict. It's uncertain whether the Biblical admonitions of homosexuality were meant to discourage the horribly repulsive acts that were common among homosexuals in that day, or just 'sexual deviation' in general.

In any case, governments are highly unlikely to loosen their grip on the cultural practice they stole from the devout - that is why I think this issue of same-sex marriage should at least be decided on a state-by-state basis, so that at least the federal government doesn't get to keep their stolen ritual.

Yeah, that makes sense.

The Philosopher and Philosophy of Conservative Idealism wrote:A point of contention, perhaps, but not a conflict. It's uncertain whether the Biblical admonitions of homosexuality were meant to discourage the horribly repulsive acts that were common among homosexuals in that day, or just 'sexual deviation' in general.

I think it's definitely the latter. In the New Covenant Jesus said that even lustful thoughts were a sin and wrong, whether homosexual or not; God's position on marriage are pretty clear.

I was just digging around a bit online for the Bible's definition of marriage, and this site http://www.frc.org/brochure/the-bibles-teaching-on-marriage-and-family seems pretty accurate (scroll to "What is Marriage?"). To quote it's bit on homosexuality and marriage: "The sacredness of marriage: Marriage is not merely a human agreement between two consenting individuals (a "civil union"); it is a relationship before and under God (Genesis 2:22). Hence, a "same-sex marriage" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Since Scripture universally condemns homosexual relationships (see further under Homosexuality below) God will never sanction a marital bond between two members of the same sex."

Hadn't heard that perspective before, but it does make sense.

The Constitutional Land of The Constitutional Land of Freedom wrote:I think it's definitely the latter. In the New Covenant Jesus said that even lustful thoughts were a sin and wrong, whether homosexual or not; God's position on marriage are pretty clear.

I was just digging around a bit online for the Bible's definition of marriage, and this site http://www.frc.org/brochure/the-bibles-teaching-on-marriage-and-family seems pretty accurate (scroll to "What is Marriage?"). To quote it's bit on homosexuality and marriage: "The sacredness of marriage: Marriage is not merely a human agreement between two consenting individuals (a "civil union"); it is a relationship before and under God (Genesis 2:22). Hence, a "same-sex marriage" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Since Scripture universally condemns homosexual relationships (see further under Homosexuality below) God will never sanction a marital bond between two members of the same sex."

Hadn't heard that perspective before, but it does make sense.

By that logic, marriage is not a relationship before and under God - as the practice has been seized by a secular, godless state - and thus, it is only a civil union between two consenting individuals. For that reason, same-sex marriage is not an oxymoron, and should not be prohibited.

Okay, when I say marriage I mean marriage per the Bible, not all the "okay, sign here and you're now married, congrats".

I think when they wrote "before and under God" they meant "as God said" or something. Anyway.

And, even if same-sex 'marriage' isn't marriage at all, it's still wrong that the government is deceiving people in saying it is marriage.

The Constitutional Land of The Constitutional Land of Freedom wrote:it's still wrong that the government is deceiving people in saying it is marriage.

Yeah, but that issue is another can of worms entirely.

Yes.

I guess I'll weigh in here. My view on marriage is that the government just needs to leave it alone, and if a Church says they aren't going to let a homosexual couple marry in their Church, then that's their right. It's not my right to say what is marriage and what isn't, and it definitely isn't the government's either. I'm not really against or for gay marriage, if it's legalized, great! If it isn't, I still don't care. It doesn't affect me either way.

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