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WA Delegate (non-executive): The Republic of Farlandiay (elected )

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Illuminati is one of the oldest regions on NationStates, and is rich with detailed history, original philosophy, and a host of great nations. All nations of all ideologies are welcome to come and discover the secrets that are Illuminati.


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Illuminati contains 296 nations, the 42nd most in the world.

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As a region, Illuminati is ranked 10,695th in the world for Most Compassionate Citizens.

NationWA CategoryMotto
21.The Socialist States of Enlighten AmericaDemocratic Socialists“The ends justifies the means”
22.The Republic of Stamus UnumCivil Rights Lovefest“Hell is empty; all the devils are here”
23.The Free Land of Cha0Scandinavian Liberal Paradise“Segregate to unite”
24.The Empire of LightmarshCivil Rights Lovefest“Spes Defendit Amantes (Hope Protects The Loving Ones)”
25.The Grand Duchy of The Sealand Islands and GuianaInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Prosperity, Family, Unity, and Country.”
26.The Federation of The First Federation of SolidarityDemocratic Socialists“Solidarietas in aeternum”
27.The Rogue Nation of A Dystopian PickleLiberal Democratic Socialists“Pickle pickle bitches”
28.The Queendom of Kawaii VillageInoffensive Centrist Democracy“もえもえきゅん”
29.The People's Republic of GlestanInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Striving for Excellence”
30.The Republic of TransoxianasDemocratic Socialists“In trade lay our future.”
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The Republic of Farlandiay wrote:I, for example would never apologies to the Japanese for Herishima, as I, nor my governments current leaders, made that decision, and Japan is also a very different country. Both of us experienced a regime change, and now we are close allies.

It costs us nothing to apologize and say that we are sorry we killed their civilians. We cannot change the past, but we did bomb civilians and vaporize thousands of people. It costs us nothing to apologize, but right-wing ideologues will call us weak for doing so. The world is a different place today, but the U.S. has done terrible things, and we should apologize for them.

Kawaii Village

The United Socialist States of Masada-Pelosi wrote:It costs us nothing to apologize and say that we are sorry we killed their civilians. We cannot change the past, but we did bomb civilians and vaporize thousands of people. It costs us nothing to apologize, but right-wing ideologues will call us weak for doing so. The world is a different place today, but the U.S. has done terrible things, and we should apologize for them.

Yes, the bombings were terrible. No we should not apologies because we should not be sorry. Even Japan understands that aND hasn't asked for an apology. In the end, the Nukes saved more lives than they cost by preventing the planned invasion of Japan. The bombings were bad, in fact herendous and terribel, but also worth it. In the same way, I hold no grudge again Japan for Pearl Harbor, as that was an act of war, and in their perspective justified.

Kawaii Village

I do agree with you about the weekness argument however, your right that apologizing doesn't weaken us in any way. However, I think my previously stated reason is why we should not apologize.

Kawaii Village

In fact, Japan was warned before the attacks and had ample opertunity to surrender before the bombs were droped.

The United Socialist States of Masada-Pelosi wrote:It costs us nothing to apologize and say that we are sorry we killed their civilians. We cannot change the past, but we did bomb civilians and vaporize thousands of people. It costs us nothing to apologize, but right-wing ideologues will call us weak for doing so. The world is a different place today, but the U.S. has done terrible things, and we should apologize for them.


See, and this is going to sound awful, but I'm wondering why we should worry about justifying our actions at all.

Specifically in the case of the Atom bomb, why should we apologize for winning a war? War is inherently immoral and yet, wars must be fought. Seeing as how wars are also never clean, then how were we deviant in dropping the bomb on Hiroshima? The Japanese raped Nanking, the Germans were doing their own thing, the Russians raped Berlin, the English and the American's were fire bombing German cities (Dresden). For thousands of years before this, marauding armies tore through peaceful villages, sometimes regardless of allegiance. Civilians have never been protected. They've never not been targets.

I'm not saying that it's okay to kill just because everyone else is, but war is inevitable and for as long as we've been fighting it (always) we've never held back against anyone. We always find the worst possible ways to kill people because war favors the efficient over the humane.

There is NO moral justification for war, for the atom-bomb, or for targeting the innocent but it happens and not only does it happen, it's the standard. Does it cost us anything to apologize? No. But I also don't think we've done anything worth truly apologizing for. We didn't need a justification; we were at war and this is the kind of thing that happens in war.

Farlandiay

Well Vintony your a little extreme for me, but I mostly agree. I agree we shouldn't have to apologize and that it costs nothing to apologize, however I don't agree that ALL is fair in love and war. The bombings were justified via death totals, but the Holocaust was absolutly not, village pillaging is not ethier. Both of those don't really help war efforts. Apologizing actually does have a cost, it devalues our apologies when we actually need them.

Also, what about the chairman position?

The Free Land of Vintony wrote:See, and this is going to sound awful, but I'm wondering why we should worry about justifying our actions at all.
Specifically in the case of the Atom bomb, why should we apologize for winning a war? War is inherently immoral and yet, wars must be fought. Seeing as how wars are also never clean, then how were we deviant in dropping the bomb on Hiroshima? The Japanese raped Nanking, the Germans were doing their own thing, the Russians raped Berlin, the English and the American's were fire bombing German cities (Dresden). For thousands of years before this, marauding armies tore through peaceful villages, sometimes regardless of allegiance. Civilians have never been protected. They've never not been targets.
I'm not saying that it's okay to kill just because everyone else is, but war is inevitable and for as long as we've been fighting it (always) we've never held back against anyone. We always find the worst possible ways to kill people because war favors the efficient over the humane.
There is NO moral justification for war, for the atom-bomb, or for targeting the innocent but it happens and not only does it happen, it's the standard. Does it cost us anything to apologize? No. But I also don't think we've done anything worth truly apologizing for. We didn't need a justification; we were at war and this is the kind of thing that happens in war.

That's the kind of thinking that people use to justify all sorts of terrible things. It's the same way we don't allow torture. If it worked, people would use it, but we believe it to be amoral. Is the US gonna apologize for torturing people? Not likely. I'm just saying that it would be nice if we could apologize for killing civilians, for apologizing does not imply that we did something wrong.

Apologizing doesn't imply wrongdoing? I was under the impression it did.

Kawaii Village

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