Greece

Not just Grandon, but all the nations that support a free Greece 3000+ WA nations.
We will keep coming here until Greece is free, it only takes a moment to create a new puppet. We are in no hurry, we will not give up.

The following, posted back in Sept. 2011, may provide an alternative solution to achieving peace:

"Don't negotiate with The Greek Empire. In the final analysis, it's a puppet vehicle for foreign invaders who dreamed forever to swallow up Greece for themselves. It's just using the Greeks to get to the Persians.

Jacavonia is only active because he means to keep The Greek Empire relevant in the future of Greece. Dealing with him only legitimizes The Greek Empire as the representative of Greek natives. Never give him that power. Greece was never his.

Ignore The Greek Empire. It can't give the Persian or Greek natives of Greece peace. It can't give the Persians what they want: their 6 regions back. It can't give true Greeks what they need: authentic Greek representation free from Invader influence.

The 13 Districts of Panem is disgusted by the stubborness of the foreign patrons of the Greeks and the Persian residents of Greece. A treaty was proposed.

1. Khoresm should prove that he/she is not a tyrant by un-banning everyone and leaving Greece open to anyone who wishes to move here.

2. Should a new Greek delegate get elected, they should not ban any Persians or risk being ejected by Yauna. If however, Yauna ejects a Greek delegate for no reason, it will be proof that Yauna is undemocratic. If the Persians happen to disagree with the new delegate, it is up to them to try to elect a new one.

3. Likewise, if a Persian is elected delegate, and if the Greeks disagree, it is up to the Greeks to gain support for a new one. The new Persian delegate should not ban opposition either.

Greeks snubbed his suggestions. There are more practical options than Panem's propositions.

1. Any compromise must consider the demographic reality of this region. Not only do the Persians and their supporters have a majority in nation number and World Assembly membership, they also have superior regional influence. The regional majority can't be expected to surrender to the minority.

2. According to the common practices in war, the entities which consistently lose battles or fail to defeat an enemy can't realistically impose conditions to their favor. The point of fighting is to maneuver themselves to compel the opponent to give in to their demands. The Greek Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire did not defeat the Persians in Greece. Therefore, the Persians don't feel forced to submit to their demands.

3. Taking into account the realities stated above, a more diplomatic proposition may be brought forth. 2 states for 2 peoples: a Persian region of Greece alongside a Greek region of Greece.

4. Since the Persians won't leave Greece on the demands of The Greek Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire, and the latter won't accept the former in a position of real regional power, perhaps the best way to solve this dispute is to seperate the 2 groups, Greek and Persian.

5. With 2 communities divided into 2 regions, each community can administer themselves according to how they see fit, without alien interference. When Greece didn't defeat Turkey in Anatolia after the First World War, Greeks from Turkey moved to Europe and Turks from Greece moved to Asia. Seperating 2 hostile populations has preserved the peace and ensured the prosperity of their respective people.

6. Greece has already an entrenched Persian majority. It makes more sense for the Persians to keep their community intact inside the region. The Greeks are scattered in different places outside the region. It makes more sense for them to come together in a fresh region they can call their own. A region that may have the word "Greece" as part of its name. The region "Greece II" is a possibility.

7. Greeks, don't allow invaders like The Greek Empire decide your fate. You're not pawns of foreigners pretending to be Greek. Stop fighting their war and get on with your lives. NationStates has generously given you the peaceful tools for your liberty. Use them without fear or prejudice. Build a new community for yourselves elsewhere. The name of the region is not so important. What is important is keeping yourselves together, proud and independent, wherever you may be. The Persians may have acquired Greece, but they haven't deprived you of Greece's fundamentals: your free people, your unique culture, your courageous heart, your national pride, your will to live."

Any other nations who wish to follow in Grandon's footsteps be warned: the rules of the game DO apply to you, and harassment WILL be met with warnings, bannings, deletions and DOS as warranted.

RIP Nationstates, it used to be fun.

A new Region has been created - Greece for Greeks. Till Greece is free again I propose that Region as our new home for all Greek people or those who like Greece.