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21.The Cruel Irony of TaxandrieCapitalizt“.......................................................”
22.The Disputed Territories of WhatsAnarchy“Sup?”
23.The Armed Republic of CobanesiaWA MemberScandinavian Liberal Paradise“Will Kill for Food”
24.The Free Land of DraknanLeft-Leaning College State“We'd Rather Die Standing Than Live on Our Knees”
25.The Community of BlankoviaWA MemberLeft-wing Utopia“All matters in our own hands.”
26.The Free Land of The Rebel StaeCivil Rights Lovefest“In The Rebellion we believe”
27.The Rogue Nation of ClownzScandinavian Liberal Paradise“Upside down!”
28.The Grand Duchy of AlmansoDemocratic Socialists“Seeing is believing”
29.The Free Land of Zapatista ChiapasScandinavian Liberal Paradise“Ya Basta”
30.The Undefined Lawless Territory of Total anarchyaCapitalizt“ataxias kai anarkhias”
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The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes wrote:Can someone please tell me why my civil rights score went down when I prevented nazis from holding a rally? That makes absolutely no sense. I understood that my political freedom rating would go down, but how is being a nazi someone's "civil right?"


Your civil rights rating went down because your course of action abridges the freedom of conscious/belief/speech. These are all frequently considered "civil" rights. The distinction (I think) is that civil rights more broadly pertain to an individual's rights an actions in all spheres, including the private (for instance, a gathering in one's own home, or a rally in a public space) whereas political freedoms more specifically pertain to those rights and actions involving the direct petition of government (voting, etc).

Thus, banning a rally (or a gathering in a public space) would more directly pertain to civil rights, since it more directly affects an individuals activities in a not-directly-governmental sphere.

It's also exactly what a Nazi would do, but that's another argument. :)

also nationstates sometimes rates corruption as high freedom. there's an issue that will make your political freedoms go down if you don't allow corporations to buy politicians...

The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes wrote:It seems like that would be protecting people's civil rights.


*Some* peoples'

The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes wrote:
It also said that I made it illegal to make racist remarks in public.


If you banned Nazi rallies, you banned racist remarks in public (since Nazi rallies are likely to be both public and racist).

Hate speech may be a form of political freedom, but it certainly isn't a civil right. If all they were doing was SAYING racist things then I wouldn't have a problem, but we all know nazis are interested in more than expressing their opinion. I banned nazi rallies in order to protect the community from hate crimes, not necessarily to censor their stupid beliefs

New Sade

I'm curious; Most of the countries labeled "Anarchy" seem to resemble more "anarcho" capitalism, and are as disastrous as you would expect them to be. Has anyone been able to achieve an actual Catalonia/Makhnovtchina style anarchist territory, with workers control over the means of production? I know that's a lot to expect from a game called "Nation States," but it seems like the only good left wing options are between Scandinavian style social democracy, and Cuban style state-socialism.

The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes wrote:I'm curious; Most of the countries labeled "Anarchy" seem to resemble more "anarcho" capitalism, and are as disastrous as you would expect them to be. Has anyone been able to achieve an actual Catalonia/Makhnovtchina style anarchist territory, with workers control over the means of production? I know that's a lot to expect from a game called "Nation States," but it seems like the only good left wing options are between Scandinavian style social democracy, and Cuban style state-socialism.


There is an issue where you can allow workers to seize control of the means of production. Civil rights lovefests tend to be very close to what anarchism really is (not an cap) but the general categories can obscure a lot.

In Natapoc the workers own the means of production and the state has zero power to enact or enforce law based on the issues I've passed. Is that close?

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The Nomadic Peoples of Natapoc wrote:There is an issue where you can allow workers to seize control of the means of production. Civil rights lovefests tend to be very close to what anarchism really is (not an cap) but the general categories can obscure a lot.


I've gotten that issue before about allowing workers to seize control of the means of production. It's a nice addition by a Leftist issues author, but as far as I can tell it doesn't actually do anything to your nation - it's never mentioned again and doesn't seem to affect the actual distribution of the economy. It would be nice if it had an actual impact on the nation (i.e. if there was a separate category on the "industry" tab for worker managed enterprises, rather than just breaking things down into Private Sector, Government, State Owned Industry and Black Market). Instead it just seems to be throwing a (rather small and dry) bone to libertarian socialist types.

I would agree that the Civil Rights Lovefest is probably the closest rating to what most of us mean when we say "anarchy", although as you say, one's mileage can vary - I've seen a lot of civil right lovefests that are basically capitalist minarchist states (i.e. fairly close to the ancap end of the spectrum).

There really is no satisfactory category for the anarchist in this game. As I've said before, the "Left Wing Utopia" category almost implies a massive state bureaucracy - not exactly an ideal for most anarchists. For example, your description of your nation:

The Nomadic Peoples of Natapoc wrote:In Natapoc the workers own the means of production and the state has zero power to enact or enforce law based on the issues I've passed. Is that close?


...seems to conflict with the randomly generated description of your nation I just received:

"The Nomadic Peoples of Natapoc is a gargantuan, genial nation, remarkable for its anti-smoking policies, state-planned economy, and absence of drug laws."

Anti-smoking policies (yet supposedly, no drug laws?)? State planned economy? Sounds more like a liberal nanny state to me. Definitely not bad in the overall scheme of things in this game, but anarchy? Far from it...

As The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes points out, this is a fundamental limitation of a game that by definition takes the nation-state as the absolute horizon of all political possibility.

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The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes wrote:Hate speech may be a form of political freedom, but it certainly isn't a civil right. If all they were doing was SAYING racist things then I wouldn't have a problem, but we all know nazis are interested in more than expressing their opinion. I banned nazi rallies in order to protect the community from hate crimes, not necessarily to censor their stupid beliefs


In general I am somewhat skeptical of appeals to "freedom of speech", myself, since in practice these appeals seem to almost always come from, or on behalf of, extreme reactionaries and hate groups (i.e. the KKK, that Quran burning reverend a few years ago, etc).

Speech which actually challenges the status quo from a revolutionary or even just moderately progressive direction tends to be crushed by the state as a matter of course, without any debate or ritualized hand-wringing about "free speech" from the liberal chattering classes.

It seems obvious that at the end of the day the state is happy to oblige the former. Hence why real neo-Nazi rallies often have police escorts, while anti-authoritarian rallies are met by those same police with tear gas and truncheons.

I'm skeptical that censoring fascism can actually have the effect of eliminating it. Look at Germany, they have pretty strict laws against Neo-Nazism, but it never really got rid of the fascist movement in Germany, it just pushed it underground and fed in to their victim mentality. Instead Nazism in Germany has been replaced with soft Fascism (PEGIDA). I certainly don't think the state ought to have any business protecting their demonstrations (which they usually do) but criminalizing their bigotry is another thing entirely. I support far-rightists freedom to express their opinions because then at least you know who these people are, which makes them easier to fight.

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The Lawless Wasteland of New Sade wrote:I've gotten that issue before about allowing workers to seize control of the means of production. It's a nice addition by a Leftist issues author, but as far as I can tell it doesn't actually do anything to your nation - it's never mentioned again and doesn't seem to affect the actual distribution of the economy. It would be nice if it had an actual impact on the nation (i.e. if there was a separate category on the "industry" tab for worker managed enterprises, rather than just breaking things down into Private Sector, Government, State Owned Industry and Black Market). Instead it just seems to be throwing a (rather small and dry) bone to libertarian socialist types.

I would agree that the Civil Rights Lovefest is probably the closest rating to what most of us mean when we say "anarchy", although as you say, one's mileage can vary - I've seen a lot of civil right lovefests that are basically capitalist minarchist states (i.e. fairly close to the ancap end of the spectrum).

There really is no satisfactory category for the anarchist in this game. As I've said before, the "Left Wing Utopia" category almost implies a massive state bureaucracy - not exactly an ideal for most anarchists. For example, your description of your nation:

...seems to conflict with the randomly generated description of your nation I just received:

"The Nomadic Peoples of Natapoc is a gargantuan, genial nation, remarkable for its anti-smoking policies, state-planned economy, and absence of drug laws."

Anti-smoking policies (yet supposedly, no drug laws?)? State planned economy? Sounds more like a liberal nanny state to me. Definitely not bad in the overall scheme of things in this game, but anarchy? Far from it...

As The Confederacy of Libertarian Communes points out, this is a fundamental limitation of a game that by definition takes the nation-state as the absolute horizon of all political possibility.


Yes the description does conflict with issues that have been chosen.

State planned economy must be boilerplate for any economy that is not run by "the invisible hand" because I have repeatedly picked that workers control the means of production. It can't be a "state planned" economy when it's actually a democratic economy can it?

I also always pick the options that give the most power to people as far as decision making(everything is decided by referendum) and we have NO police force (or military) according to issues I've selected (and sometimes according to the nation descriptions).

So yes, the game assumes a state and it really can't fully break out of it. But if you read the descriptions from the perspective of the issues you know you passed then you can imagine your left wing utopia or civil rights lovefest as an anarchy. :)

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